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But it’s theirs, they created it and should therefore benefit from it. I’m honestly shocked at how much these companies are getting away with. It’s piracy on a

But it’s theirs, they created it and should therefore benefit from it. I’m honestly shocked at how much these companies are getting away with. It’s piracy on a massive scale. You can get a little discombobulated reading the comments from the nerds / subject idiots on this site.

noitpmeder 3y ago
Don't forget that (almost assuredly) some percentage of HN comments are made by these very LLMs in question!!
jimbob45 3y ago
The copyright laws are unjust to begin with. Copyright shouldn’t last beyond ten years anyway. Simply claiming that piracy is always bad ignores the evil of the laws in the first place.
smoldesu 3y ago
George R. R. Martin authored A Game of Thrones, but lost in-court against Google when Google Books reproduced parts of his text verbatim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,.... No piracy or even AI was required, here. Google's defense was that their product couldn't reproduce the book in it's entirety, which was proven and made the prosecution about Fair Use instead. Given that it was much harder to prosecute on those grounds, Google tried coercing the authors into a settlement before eventually the District Court dropped the case in Google's favor altogether. OpenAI's lawyers are aware of the precedent on copyright law. They're going to argue their application is Fair Use, and they might get away with it.
graphe 3y ago
Who's stopping their nyt articles in favor of chatGPT? Nobody stopped watching movies when their lines are in the lyrics of songs.
KHRZ 3y ago
It's "theirs"? The copyright monopoly was created to advance art and science, anything else is a mere perversion. So who are in the moral right, those advancing science by developing humanity's literal pinnacle of science, artficial intelligence, or those trying to hold the development back for their own commercial interest? Mind you, Google books, literally just text from copyrighted books published for everyone online, was ruled "fair use", due to it's benefit to humanity.

noitpmeder 3y ago

Don't forget that (almost assuredly) some percentage of HN comments are made by these very LLMs in question!!

jimbob45 3y ago

The copyright laws are unjust to begin with. Copyright shouldn’t last beyond ten years anyway. Simply claiming that piracy is always bad ignores the evil of the laws in the first place.

smoldesu 3y ago

George R. R. Martin authored A Game of Thrones, but lost in-court against Google when Google Books reproduced parts of his text verbatim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors_Guild,_Inc._v._Google,.... No piracy or even AI was required, here. Google's defense was that their product couldn't reproduce the book in it's entirety, which was proven and made the prosecution about Fair Use instead. Given that it was much harder to prosecute on those grounds, Google tried coercing the authors into a settlement before eventually the District Court dropped the case in Google's favor altogether. OpenAI's lawyers are aware of the precedent on copyright law. They're going to argue their application is Fair Use, and they might get away with it.

graphe 3y ago

Who's stopping their nyt articles in favor of chatGPT? Nobody stopped watching movies when their lines are in the lyrics of songs.

KHRZ 3y ago

It's "theirs"? The copyright monopoly was created to advance art and science, anything else is a mere perversion. So who are in the moral right, those advancing science by developing humanity's literal pinnacle of science, artficial intelligence, or those trying to hold the development back for their own commercial interest? Mind you, Google books, literally just text from copyrighted books published for everyone online, was ruled "fair use", due to it's benefit to humanity.