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Question to many of y'all: What does this have to do with DEI? Can she not just be a bad person...

constantly 3y ago
She can just be a bad person, but my sense from scanning the comments is that a bad person artificially propped up by a social framework is worse because in theory it made it easier for the bad person to achieve a position of power where otherwise it’s less likely they would have achieved such a position. At least that’s my take on what people are arguing without diving in too deeply.
- notaustinpowers 3y ago
  But what of her past indicates she's propped up by a social framework like DEI? She's related to NYT best-sellers, she lived in Saudi Arabia with a father that worked with the Army Corps of Engineers. She attended a private boarding school in New Hampshire, completed her undergrad at Princeton and Stanford, and earned her PHd at Harvard. If anything, she sounds like a privileged rich kid who's a legacy hire. Now some DEI-supported "token".
  - constantly 3y ago
    I’m curious too! I’m not making the argument, just distilling a little of what I’m sensing from others.
  - nkurz 3y ago
    You've used "legacy hire" in a couple comments here. I'm not familiar with the term, and searching doesn't find it used much: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22legacy+hire%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22legacy+hire%22 Are you consciously trying to create it as a new term, or is it in common use in some circles that I'm unfamiliar with? I don't think it's a good parallel with "legacy admission" unless it were to refer to hiring the child of an a previous employee, but this doesn't seem to be what you mean.
    - notaustinpowers 3y ago
      It's used in many circles for higher-class employment. But also "Legacy Preferences" may be the better term here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences Granted, her legacy is that she received her PhD at Harvard, then worked as a Dean of the Faculty of Arts & Sciences, on top of many other positions with various organizations. My main point is that people claim that she's terrible because she was just a DEI hire and is not qualified for a position as Harvard President. When her resume shows she's more than qualified for the role. This isn't a DEI issue, this is an issue of Harvard not doing the proper research on her dissertation & research and attempting to act like it's not a big deal for a President to be caught plagiarising works.
      - Izkata 3y ago
        > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences The secondary term here, "legacies" and "legacy students", are probably where most people have heard it, it's used in movies that involve sororities, when the snobby characters are gossiping: "How did she get in?" "She must be a legacy." and such.
levzettelin 3y ago
She would never be in the position that she is in if it wasn't for DEI. DEI systematically helps bad persons into power.
- notaustinpowers 3y ago
  We have a couple dozen years of modern time to show that bad people got into power way before DEI was ever a thing.
  - gruez 3y ago
    I don't think the parent implied that DEI is the source of all bad behavior, just that it's another avenue for bad people to get in.
  - hackeraccount 3y ago
    Positions that are too important to be filled on merit.
coffeefirst 3y ago
Not even bad, just... merely average. An entirely ordinary person person who may have done sloppy work in the past and when called before congress, did what she was told. I don't care who runs Harvard, a school I have zero connection to, and I can't scapegoat one person for sudden widespread spike in antisemitism over the last few months. They just look totally dumbfounded. I imagine they will become a lot less dumbfounded in short order. DOJ investigations and a few million dollars in civil suits can have a near magical clarifying effect on a bureaucracy.
- notaustinpowers 3y ago
  Claudine is just an ordinary person who just has had a lot of good positions under her belt at Harvard over the years. And from the meeting with Congress, it sounds like Harvard just royally messed up how their media relations should go.

She can just be a bad person, but my sense from scanning the comments is that a bad person artificially propped up by a social framework is worse because in theory it made it easier for the bad person to achieve a position of power where otherwise it’s less likely they would have achieved such a position. At least that’s my take on what people are arguing without diving in too deeply.

notaustinpowers 3y ago
But what of her past indicates she's propped up by a social framework like DEI? She's related to NYT best-sellers, she lived in Saudi Arabia with a father that worked with the Army Corps of Engineers. She attended a private boarding school in New Hampshire, completed her undergrad at Princeton and Stanford, and earned her PHd at Harvard. If anything, she sounds like a privileged rich kid who's a legacy hire. Now some DEI-supported "token".
- constantly 3y ago
  I’m curious too! I’m not making the argument, just distilling a little of what I’m sensing from others.
- nkurz 3y ago
  You've used "legacy hire" in a couple comments here. I'm not familiar with the term, and searching doesn't find it used much: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22legacy+hire%22 https://www.google.com/search?q=%22legacy+hire%22 Are you consciously trying to create it as a new term, or is it in common use in some circles that I'm unfamiliar with? I don't think it's a good parallel with "legacy admission" unless it were to refer to hiring the child of an a previous employee, but this doesn't seem to be what you mean.
  - notaustinpowers 3y ago
    It's used in many circles for higher-class employment. But also "Legacy Preferences" may be the better term here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences Granted, her legacy is that she received her PhD at Harvard, then worked as a Dean of the Faculty of Arts & Sciences, on top of many other positions with various organizations. My main point is that people claim that she's terrible because she was just a DEI hire and is not qualified for a position as Harvard President. When her resume shows she's more than qualified for the role. This isn't a DEI issue, this is an issue of Harvard not doing the proper research on her dissertation & research and attempting to act like it's not a big deal for a President to be caught plagiarising works.
    - Izkata 3y ago
      > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_preferences The secondary term here, "legacies" and "legacy students", are probably where most people have heard it, it's used in movies that involve sororities, when the snobby characters are gossiping: "How did she get in?" "She must be a legacy." and such.

levzettelin 3y ago

She would never be in the position that she is in if it wasn't for DEI. DEI systematically helps bad persons into power.

notaustinpowers 3y ago
We have a couple dozen years of modern time to show that bad people got into power way before DEI was ever a thing.
- gruez 3y ago
  I don't think the parent implied that DEI is the source of all bad behavior, just that it's another avenue for bad people to get in.
- hackeraccount 3y ago
  Positions that are too important to be filled on merit.

coffeefirst 3y ago

Not even bad, just... merely average. An entirely ordinary person person who may have done sloppy work in the past and when called before congress, did what she was told. I don't care who runs Harvard, a school I have zero connection to, and I can't scapegoat one person for sudden widespread spike in antisemitism over the last few months. They just look totally dumbfounded. I imagine they will become a lot less dumbfounded in short order. DOJ investigations and a few million dollars in civil suits can have a near magical clarifying effect on a bureaucracy.

notaustinpowers 3y ago
Claudine is just an ordinary person who just has had a lot of good positions under her belt at Harvard over the years. And from the meeting with Congress, it sounds like Harvard just royally messed up how their media relations should go.