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No, covid vaccines were not kind of crappy, just the virus itself evolved so rapidly that the virus had evolved enough even before complete rollout of the vacci

No, covid vaccines were not kind of crappy, just the virus itself evolved so rapidly that the virus had evolved enough even before complete rollout of the vaccines. Yet even then the boosted vaccination was highly effective against the delta variant and still effective against omicron on the level par with flu vaccines. Omicron was just infectious on the level of measles and with very short incubation period giving the immune system very little time to ramp up the immune response.

Auracle 3y ago
I'd argue that a vaccine that allowed the virus to evolve rapidly out of it because it's only targeting on small section of the virus is pretty crappy by definition. Don't get me wrong, it saved a lot of lives. Compared to every other vaccine we've all taken in our lives it's the absolute bottom of the barrel, and the fact that politically (and possibly for public health reasons) a good portion of politicians effectively lied about that made it so companies didn't feel like they should invest in making a better vaccine. I've had Covid twice and both times I was very sick - I'd love a better, more broad, vaccine. I'd argue it's definitely not as effective as flu vaccines vs omicron. On a good year the flu vaccine can prevent 50% of flu cases in those that take it. Everyone I know has gotten Covid, vaccinated or not.
- throwaway8877 3y ago
  Do you have any studies to share that confirm this claim? As far I am aware the new variants evolved from regions that were not highly vaccinated like South Africa. Omicron was considerably more virulent than flu - the risk of getting an infection is also a function of prevalence.
  - throwaway8877 3y ago
    But I don't think we'll get any better vaccine soon the medical community appears to be too stubborn for this to happen. I'm not arguing that vaccines can't or shouldn't be much better. Just that they actually were considerably good if we take everything we should into account.

Auracle 3y ago

I'd argue that a vaccine that allowed the virus to evolve rapidly out of it because it's only targeting on small section of the virus is pretty crappy by definition. Don't get me wrong, it saved a lot of lives. Compared to every other vaccine we've all taken in our lives it's the absolute bottom of the barrel, and the fact that politically (and possibly for public health reasons) a good portion of politicians effectively lied about that made it so companies didn't feel like they should invest in making a better vaccine. I've had Covid twice and both times I was very sick - I'd love a better, more broad, vaccine. I'd argue it's definitely not as effective as flu vaccines vs omicron. On a good year the flu vaccine can prevent 50% of flu cases in those that take it. Everyone I know has gotten Covid, vaccinated or not.

throwaway8877 3y ago
Do you have any studies to share that confirm this claim? As far I am aware the new variants evolved from regions that were not highly vaccinated like South Africa. Omicron was considerably more virulent than flu - the risk of getting an infection is also a function of prevalence.
- throwaway8877 3y ago
  But I don't think we'll get any better vaccine soon the medical community appears to be too stubborn for this to happen. I'm not arguing that vaccines can't or shouldn't be much better. Just that they actually were considerably good if we take everything we should into account.