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That's the whole point of emacs; there is no point to vim, then.

by juped 3y ago

sodapopcan 3y ago
That's not true. For many people Emacs' text editor is the least interesting part of it and use evil mode to get Vim-like bindings. While the jokes may lean on the differences in key-bindings, they are hardly the whole story. Vim is a super lightweight editor that is available everywhere and very easy to carry around your own single-file config. You're allowed to configure it however you want. Vim too has its share of annoying key chords... <c-r><c-g> is one I use often enough that I stilllll haven't made a mapping for (and likely never will at this point).
- juped 3y ago
  The point of vim is to be vi but with more features. It's not to configure it however you dang well please. If this were the point, which it isn't, you could use emacs, which can be configured in vastly more dang ways. Including ways which are a superset of vi, as you yourself admit.
  - sodapopcan 3y ago
    Agree to disagree, I guess. However, the first half of the very first sentence on www.vim.org is "Vim is a highly configurable text editor" so take that as you will. I'm fairly certain there won't be any vim police showing up at my door if I make a chord-mapping :D I'm not into the chord-mappings myself, but I support those who are.
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    > emacs, which can be configured in vastly more dang ways. Including ways which are a superset of vi, as you yourself admit. lol I think this may be turning into a emacs/vim war :) > The point of vim is to be vi but with more features. What defines the point of a tool is what its users make with it. Having vim with emacs short inside a binary I can run anywhere (from BSD to Windows, which I still love to use sometimes) gives me freedom, so for me the point of vim is freedom. I like emacs shortcuts (at least the readline ones) but not emacs itself, so for me, there's no point in using emacs. But if you prefer emacs, why don't you try to do the same thing I did, yet with emacs? You can follow my tutorial (check the part about strace to know where to add your files) and the binary from https://cosmo.zip/pub/cosmos/bin/emacs https://cosmo.zip/pub/cosmos/bin/emacs I may not like emacs, but if you prepare something containing what you consider should be the defaults, I'd be curious enough to give it a try :)
    - juped 3y ago
      I don't use emacs (except for rendering orglatex) or vim (ever, I do use vi, though!), you're just pattern matching onto "an emacs/vim war" because you want to.
      - csdvrx 3y ago
        Then I'm curious, mhat do you use? And why were you condescending of BSD users?
        juped 3y ago
        You're not curious; you're trying to wage an editor flamewar and are confused that I'm not. I'd jokingly say "ed" or "windows notepad" except you'd earnestly try to explain to me that vi or emacs or something is better. I have no idea what that second sentence means.
        csdvrx 3y ago
        > I'd jokingly say "ed" or "windows notepad" Then I would take you to heart because I love Notepad and its minimal set of features. SciTE is nice too > I have no idea what that second sentence means. Nothing, I have confused you with someone else.

That's the whole point of emacs; there is no point to vim, then.

by juped 3y ago

That's the whole point of emacs; there is no point to vim, then.

That's not true. For many people Emacs' text editor is the least interesting part of it and use evil mode to get Vim-like bindings. While the jokes may lean on the differences in key-bindings, they are hardly the whole story. Vim is a super lightweight editor that is available everywhere and very easy to carry around your own single-file config. You're allowed to configure it however you want. Vim too has its share of annoying key chords... <c-r><c-g> is one I use often enough that I stilllll haven't made a mapping for (and likely never will at this point).

juped 3y ago
The point of vim is to be vi but with more features. It's not to configure it however you dang well please. If this were the point, which it isn't, you could use emacs, which can be configured in vastly more dang ways. Including ways which are a superset of vi, as you yourself admit.
- sodapopcan 3y ago
  Agree to disagree, I guess. However, the first half of the very first sentence on www.vim.org is "Vim is a highly configurable text editor" so take that as you will. I'm fairly certain there won't be any vim police showing up at my door if I make a chord-mapping :D I'm not into the chord-mappings myself, but I support those who are.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  > emacs, which can be configured in vastly more dang ways. Including ways which are a superset of vi, as you yourself admit. lol I think this may be turning into a emacs/vim war :) > The point of vim is to be vi but with more features. What defines the point of a tool is what its users make with it. Having vim with emacs short inside a binary I can run anywhere (from BSD to Windows, which I still love to use sometimes) gives me freedom, so for me the point of vim is freedom. I like emacs shortcuts (at least the readline ones) but not emacs itself, so for me, there's no point in using emacs. But if you prefer emacs, why don't you try to do the same thing I did, yet with emacs? You can follow my tutorial (check the part about strace to know where to add your files) and the binary from https://cosmo.zip/pub/cosmos/bin/emacs https://cosmo.zip/pub/cosmos/bin/emacs I may not like emacs, but if you prepare something containing what you consider should be the defaults, I'd be curious enough to give it a try :)
  - juped 3y ago
    I don't use emacs (except for rendering orglatex) or vim (ever, I do use vi, though!), you're just pattern matching onto "an emacs/vim war" because you want to.
    - csdvrx 3y ago
      Then I'm curious, mhat do you use? And why were you condescending of BSD users?
      - juped 3y ago
        You're not curious; you're trying to wage an editor flamewar and are confused that I'm not. I'd jokingly say "ed" or "windows notepad" except you'd earnestly try to explain to me that vi or emacs or something is better. I have no idea what that second sentence means.
        csdvrx 3y ago
        > I'd jokingly say "ed" or "windows notepad" Then I would take you to heart because I love Notepad and its minimal set of features. SciTE is nice too > I have no idea what that second sentence means. Nothing, I have confused you with someone else.