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Infosys loses ten-year, $1.5B contract

20 points by 8BitArmour 3y ago

jpgvm 3y ago
For anyone that has worked at "large global companies" they will know that Infosys and TechM are some of the worst things about working at said companies. The best Indian engineers aren't working at these body shops, instead it's the bottom of the barrel and all of them are looking to either get promoted quickly or get out just as fast. As a result it's a revolving door of "resources" (urgh corp speak) that have to constantly be brought up to speed. This is largely why most large enterprises operate on a bit of a seesaw w.r.t outsourcing. They have in-house people do the thing, it's expensive and some new exec that just got hired or promoted tries to score a quick win outsourcing stuff. So that continues for 2 years until exec gets their bonuses and leaves but now everything is a huge mess, business functions are paralyzed by outsourcing etc. Some new exec that was brought in to take the fall gets thrown out despite none of this being their fault. New expensive exec is hired to fix everything, they hire a new in-house team, usually at inflated rates because you need to offer a premium to clean up Infosys/TechM messes. Everything starts looking good again after 18-24 months but the exec that fought for and protected the in-house team is now surplus to requirements and on the way out. Cycle then repeats ad infinitum.
- Bayart 3y ago
  > The best Indian engineers aren't working at these body shops, instead it's the bottom of the barrel and all of them are looking to either get promoted quickly or get out just as fast. As a result it's a revolving door of "resources" (urgh corp speak) that have to constantly be brought up to speed. You could say as much for any IT body shop worldwide. "Indian" can be treated as a variable in your sentence.
  - youngtaff 3y ago
    Yep, for most large companies building their own capabilities is far more effective than outsourcing
  - dickersnoodle 3y ago
    You could, but you'd be wrong. I've worked with outsourced devs from India, Ukraine, Russia and the 'stans and hands down the worst experiences have been with ones from India. The individual devs, when I could drill down, were bright and capable and with enough experience under their belts would be the equal of devs anywhere; the companies, however, very much had a "turn 'em and burn 'em" approach that meant any domain knowledge went out the door. I'm convinced it's a cultural/management thing. They seemed to be trained and actively managed to wait for explicit instructions for what to do instead of taking initiative and communicating it. (DISCLAIMER: This is just my own experience. Others' mileage may vary.)
  - nunez 3y ago
    Infosys and the other WITCH (Wipro, Infosys, Tata, Cognizant, HCL) services companies are de facto operated out of India.
- rramadass 3y ago
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  - 15457345234 3y ago
    > zero data provided in the article to draw any of the inferences in your comment They're probably relating their lived experiences and personal knowledge.
- mavelikara 3y ago
  > For anyone that has worked at "large global companies" they will know that Infosys and TechM are some of the worst things about working at said companies. > The best Indian engineers aren't working at these body shops, instead it's the bottom of the barrel and all of them are looking to either get promoted quickly or get out just as fast. The best engineers of those respective countries are not working at "large global companies" either. Large companies that hire engineers - outsourced or otherwise - into cost centers fail to hire top engineers.
rishav_sharan 3y ago
Music to my ears, given that the waste of oxygen that is the Infosys owner, has such gems to share https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/narayana-murthy-suggests-70-hour-work-week-to-youngsters-sparks-debate-4516739 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/narayana-murthy-suggests-70-... Would be happier if the contracts of these WITCH companies are terminated citing how poorly they treat their employees
- 8BitArmour 3y ago
  >Would be happier if the contracts of these WITCH companies are terminated citing how poorly they treat their employees don't think they will,that's how capitalism works
achow 3y ago
Narayan Murthy is to Infosys as Bill Gates is to Microsoft (retired from their respective companies). And his words does not apply to IT Industry only, there are other professions which contributes to GDP of a country and where productivity matters. He quotes Germany and Japan where post war 'first generation' forsake their lives for the future generations, similarly, a modern example is that of South Korea - where the generation that built the nation in 60s had to work hard beyond the normal hours. This is what perhaps Mr. Murthy is trying to allude, and he also mentions how the government has to improve too (bureaucracy, elimination of corruption etc.). This is not about IT, or Infosys or "WITCH" companies, it is about building a nation.
- hulitu 3y ago
  > This is what perhaps Mr. Murthy is trying to allude, and he also mentions how the government has to improve too > This is not about IT, or Infosys or "WITCH" companies, it is about building a nation. So everybody has to "improve", except Mr. Murthy. When you have a hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail. /s
rramadass 3y ago
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- 8BitArmour 3y ago
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  - rramadass 3y ago
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    - 8BitArmour 3y ago
      Straw man fallacy at its finest.
- 8BitArmour 3y ago
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  - rramadass 3y ago
    Your logic does not compute. The article (a few paragraphs) is literally of zero value with no data/information at all which you have submitted because of the click-baity title. There can be no other inference. A look at your history confirms that you have submitted/commented on similar articles in the past in the same negative vein adding nothing of value. Inference? You are a troll.
    - 8BitArmour 3y ago
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- pkphilip 3y ago
  The article links to the actual PDF (given below) but you are right, there is nothing in this article as to why this contract ended. It does seem like those who have issues with Indian IT companies have been quick to jump on this story though. https://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/bbf48c62-5203-4798-a6ab-7ff0c33a00e0.pdf https://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/bbf48...
nunez 3y ago
Damn, something must have gone seriously, seriously wrong for Infosys to lose a huge deal they made news about. That doesn't happen, even for a bodyshop like them.
- Kon-Peki 3y ago
  Maybe the failure to get Section 174 repealed is what went seriously, seriously wrong.

20 points by 8BitArmour 3y ago

For anyone that has worked at "large global companies" they will know that Infosys and TechM are some of the worst things about working at said companies. The best Indian engineers aren't working at these body shops, instead it's the bottom of the barrel and all of them are looking to either get promoted quickly or get out just as fast. As a result it's a revolving door of "resources" (urgh corp speak) that have to constantly be brought up to speed. This is largely why most large enterprises operate on a bit of a seesaw w.r.t outsourcing. They have in-house people do the thing, it's expensive and some new exec that just got hired or promoted tries to score a quick win outsourcing stuff. So that continues for 2 years until exec gets their bonuses and leaves but now everything is a huge mess, business functions are paralyzed by outsourcing etc. Some new exec that was brought in to take the fall gets thrown out despite none of this being their fault. New expensive exec is hired to fix everything, they hire a new in-house team, usually at inflated rates because you need to offer a premium to clean up Infosys/TechM messes. Everything starts looking good again after 18-24 months but the exec that fought for and protected the in-house team is now surplus to requirements and on the way out. Cycle then repeats ad infinitum.

Bayart 3y ago
> The best Indian engineers aren't working at these body shops, instead it's the bottom of the barrel and all of them are looking to either get promoted quickly or get out just as fast. As a result it's a revolving door of "resources" (urgh corp speak) that have to constantly be brought up to speed. You could say as much for any IT body shop worldwide. "Indian" can be treated as a variable in your sentence.
- youngtaff 3y ago
  Yep, for most large companies building their own capabilities is far more effective than outsourcing
- dickersnoodle 3y ago
  You could, but you'd be wrong. I've worked with outsourced devs from India, Ukraine, Russia and the 'stans and hands down the worst experiences have been with ones from India. The individual devs, when I could drill down, were bright and capable and with enough experience under their belts would be the equal of devs anywhere; the companies, however, very much had a "turn 'em and burn 'em" approach that meant any domain knowledge went out the door. I'm convinced it's a cultural/management thing. They seemed to be trained and actively managed to wait for explicit instructions for what to do instead of taking initiative and communicating it. (DISCLAIMER: This is just my own experience. Others' mileage may vary.)
- nunez 3y ago
  Infosys and the other WITCH (Wipro, Infosys, Tata, Cognizant, HCL) services companies are de facto operated out of India.
rramadass 3y ago
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- 15457345234 3y ago
  > zero data provided in the article to draw any of the inferences in your comment They're probably relating their lived experiences and personal knowledge.
mavelikara 3y ago
> For anyone that has worked at "large global companies" they will know that Infosys and TechM are some of the worst things about working at said companies. > The best Indian engineers aren't working at these body shops, instead it's the bottom of the barrel and all of them are looking to either get promoted quickly or get out just as fast. The best engineers of those respective countries are not working at "large global companies" either. Large companies that hire engineers - outsourced or otherwise - into cost centers fail to hire top engineers.

rishav_sharan 3y ago

Music to my ears, given that the waste of oxygen that is the Infosys owner, has such gems to share https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/narayana-murthy-suggests-70-hour-work-week-to-youngsters-sparks-debate-4516739 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/narayana-murthy-suggests-70-... Would be happier if the contracts of these WITCH companies are terminated citing how poorly they treat their employees

8BitArmour 3y ago
>Would be happier if the contracts of these WITCH companies are terminated citing how poorly they treat their employees don't think they will,that's how capitalism works

achow 3y ago

Narayan Murthy is to Infosys as Bill Gates is to Microsoft (retired from their respective companies). And his words does not apply to IT Industry only, there are other professions which contributes to GDP of a country and where productivity matters. He quotes Germany and Japan where post war 'first generation' forsake their lives for the future generations, similarly, a modern example is that of South Korea - where the generation that built the nation in 60s had to work hard beyond the normal hours. This is what perhaps Mr. Murthy is trying to allude, and he also mentions how the government has to improve too (bureaucracy, elimination of corruption etc.). This is not about IT, or Infosys or "WITCH" companies, it is about building a nation.

hulitu 3y ago
> This is what perhaps Mr. Murthy is trying to allude, and he also mentions how the government has to improve too > This is not about IT, or Infosys or "WITCH" companies, it is about building a nation. So everybody has to "improve", except Mr. Murthy. When you have a hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail. /s

rramadass 3y ago

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8BitArmour 3y ago
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- rramadass 3y ago
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  - 8BitArmour 3y ago
    Straw man fallacy at its finest.
8BitArmour 3y ago
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- rramadass 3y ago
  Your logic does not compute. The article (a few paragraphs) is literally of zero value with no data/information at all which you have submitted because of the click-baity title. There can be no other inference. A look at your history confirms that you have submitted/commented on similar articles in the past in the same negative vein adding nothing of value. Inference? You are a troll.
  - 8BitArmour 3y ago
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pkphilip 3y ago
The article links to the actual PDF (given below) but you are right, there is nothing in this article as to why this contract ended. It does seem like those who have issues with Indian IT companies have been quick to jump on this story though. https://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/bbf48c62-5203-4798-a6ab-7ff0c33a00e0.pdf https://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpfiling/AttachHis/bbf48...

nunez 3y ago

Damn, something must have gone seriously, seriously wrong for Infosys to lose a huge deal they made news about. That doesn't happen, even for a bodyshop like them.

Kon-Peki 3y ago
Maybe the failure to get Section 174 repealed is what went seriously, seriously wrong.