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> Uber pays below minimum wage in California? How? By falsely classifying its drivers as independent contractors (and bamboozling the courts).
by lmm 3y ago
> Uber pays below minimum wage in California? How?
By falsely classifying its drivers as independent contractors (and bamboozling the courts).
- doubleg72 3y agoFalsely?? How about a source for that bs?
- lmm 3y agoHere's an example of a sane court ruling, with a detailed explanation for why: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56123668 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56123668 . Unfortunately US courts seem to pay too much attention to the form of of their business arrangements and not enough to the substance.
- doubleg72 3y agoThat is in the UK.. in the US, no one considers driving for Uber or Door Dash a job. It is side income, or better known as contract work. I don’t see how going onto an app and choosing gigs for people can be confused as doing work for a company.
- lmm 3y ago> in the US, no one considers driving for Uber or Door Dash a job. I've seen plenty of posts to the contrary. > I don’t see how going onto an app and choosing gigs for people can be confused as doing work for a company. Well, there is a detailed explanation for why what Uber does constitutes employment in the article I linked.
- TheNewsIsHere 3y agoI used to use Uber a lot more than I do now, and so many drivers I met were contract drivers for various transport and delivery app as their entire source of income. More recently the ride share drivers I’ve gotten have been older folks who report that they’re just supplementing income. A lot of the delivery drivers (Uber, DoorDash, Postmates, Amazon Flex, Instacart, etc) I see are younger and seem to be doing it full time.
- s0rce 3y agoFor one, uber drivers can't set their own rates.
- chongli 3y agoThat’s old news. Uber responded to that ruling by changing the specific things the Supreme Court based their decision on. They did not switch to employing people for set hours.
- cameldrv 3y agoThey also bamboozled the voters. In 2019 the CA legislature passed AB5 in reaction to Uber being independent contractors. AB5 applies to tons of other industries too, including software development. It's extremely difficult to write software on contract in California now. Uber then created Proposition 22 and managed to get it passed, which exempted the original target of AB5, themselves, but left all sorts of other independent contractors still covered by AB5.
- dragonwriter 3y agoAB5 codified in statute and created exceptions to the existing case-law rule on classification, from the 2018 Dynamex v. Operations West ruling of the Supreme Court of California. It is more accurately a response to that ruling, not Uber’s status prior to the ruling.