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I used to think so until the shadow restriction/moderation stuff. I must agree with the quality part though, just not the methods. But like reddit and other pla

by _8j50 3y ago

I used to think so until the shadow restriction/moderation stuff. I must agree with the quality part though, just not the methods. But like reddit and other platform, the majority of users don't give a shit about this stuff until it's their turn. Oh well, shit is.

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Grimburger 3y ago
Show us some of the stuff you said so we can judge that ourselves? People can still see with Show Dead turned on, over the many years have never seen anything there that wasn't either inflammatory, spammy or otherwise very low quality.
- _8j50 3y ago
  In my understanding, comments that need moderator intervention would be flagged, not just downvoted. Downvotes and flags are not what I talked about though, this might help with context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38773957#38777787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38773957#38777787 HN is the only site where I even comment publicly. No warning restrictions where you don't even know if you are restricted == shadow moderarion. Probably best I simply take a hint though, i should spend my time on more productive things anyways. Although, I really do enjoy healthy discourse with people who know the subjects in question far more than I do. HN should either have different rules for non-technical threads or avoid political/sensitive topics altogether imho. Moderation isn't easy, and I'm only being so critical because I am personally affected. Chances are this comment I spent time composing won't go through and I would have to abandon it because of the restrictions. An unfortunate side effect of it all is others like you can't see I am restricted. Or you would reply to me and I can't reply back because of those same restrictions. I hope we all can take a step back (especially myself) and and forge a new path where we trest others as we would like to be treated (can't ask for more).
  - yial 3y ago
    For what it’s worth, I can see your comment and reply. Though I realize that might not mean you can reply back.
- jimbobthrowawy 3y ago
  I really wish other moderated sites had something like showdead. It's nice to see examples of what kind of content isn't meant to be on a site. (but isn't illegal and purged totlly) reveddit used to exist for reddit, but was killed during the API pricing debacle. A shame I need to create an account to use it though.
  - Grimburger 3y ago
    There's publicmodlogs for reddit but they are rarely used, especially in the sort of places they should be.
  - _8j50 3y ago
    I really wish there was some sort of open standard on fair moderation. Honestly, the parallels between bad managers and bad moderators is crazy. They both come down to poor communication and not understanding game theory stuff. Playing chess against a population playing checkers.
Fezzik 3y ago
I have posted one or two outlandish things whilst enjoying a few too many drinks and I have been properly downvoted; I have never seen or heard of anyone being restricted/moderated inappropriately. Any specific examples that come to mind? Edit, to add: I also say ridiculous things when sober, on occasion. I didn’t mean to imply that the only time my mighty brain falters is when I’m inebriated.
- _8j50 3y ago
  Likewise and I was in the wrong. I hate to beat a dead horse but look at my reply to a sibling comment in this comment thread for an example. My honest opinion: I have geopolitical views that tend to upset ideological people which includes...coughpowerfulcough folks and got stuck with reputation accordingly (whatever, no complaints). I normally avoid politics because in the US at least, I am too contrarian and "centrist", but on HN people do engage and correct me or educate me when I am incorrect. At least it used to be so, times are achanging. But tech people keep being political so it's hard to avoid. One particular thread about signal or something, I made a point about Silicon Valley tech types presuming things and interfering with politics in other countries (something about signal or other apps enabling one side of politics to win over the other I think), I think that comment was the last straw before the restrictions (can't be sure though, just guessing), this must have been in 2022. But as the saying goes "if a cop tails a car for 500 miles, that car is getting a ticket!", I am sure I have done plenty more that violate the rules, my only complaint is on how my "punishment" was in secret with no opportunity to self-correct. Maybe like reddit, HN is best lurked? I hope to see better times on HN and make dang's job easier on my part at least. happy 2024!
- jorvi 3y ago
  This comment got my account aggressively throttled for ~24h: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38728278#38730194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38728278#38730194 There is definitely messed-up biased moderating on HN. That you don’t personally suffer it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    >That you don’t personally suffer it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. just because you link to a single comment doesn't mean it was the sole cause of your throttling.

by _8j50 3y ago

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Grimburger 3y ago

Show us some of the stuff you said so we can judge that ourselves? People can still see with Show Dead turned on, over the many years have never seen anything there that wasn't either inflammatory, spammy or otherwise very low quality.

_8j50 3y ago
In my understanding, comments that need moderator intervention would be flagged, not just downvoted. Downvotes and flags are not what I talked about though, this might help with context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38773957#38777787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38773957#38777787 HN is the only site where I even comment publicly. No warning restrictions where you don't even know if you are restricted == shadow moderarion. Probably best I simply take a hint though, i should spend my time on more productive things anyways. Although, I really do enjoy healthy discourse with people who know the subjects in question far more than I do. HN should either have different rules for non-technical threads or avoid political/sensitive topics altogether imho. Moderation isn't easy, and I'm only being so critical because I am personally affected. Chances are this comment I spent time composing won't go through and I would have to abandon it because of the restrictions. An unfortunate side effect of it all is others like you can't see I am restricted. Or you would reply to me and I can't reply back because of those same restrictions. I hope we all can take a step back (especially myself) and and forge a new path where we trest others as we would like to be treated (can't ask for more).
- yial 3y ago
  For what it’s worth, I can see your comment and reply. Though I realize that might not mean you can reply back.
jimbobthrowawy 3y ago
I really wish other moderated sites had something like showdead. It's nice to see examples of what kind of content isn't meant to be on a site. (but isn't illegal and purged totlly) reveddit used to exist for reddit, but was killed during the API pricing debacle. A shame I need to create an account to use it though.
- Grimburger 3y ago
  There's publicmodlogs for reddit but they are rarely used, especially in the sort of places they should be.
- _8j50 3y ago
  I really wish there was some sort of open standard on fair moderation. Honestly, the parallels between bad managers and bad moderators is crazy. They both come down to poor communication and not understanding game theory stuff. Playing chess against a population playing checkers.

Fezzik 3y ago

I have posted one or two outlandish things whilst enjoying a few too many drinks and I have been properly downvoted; I have never seen or heard of anyone being restricted/moderated inappropriately. Any specific examples that come to mind? Edit, to add: I also say ridiculous things when sober, on occasion. I didn’t mean to imply that the only time my mighty brain falters is when I’m inebriated.

_8j50 3y ago
Likewise and I was in the wrong. I hate to beat a dead horse but look at my reply to a sibling comment in this comment thread for an example. My honest opinion: I have geopolitical views that tend to upset ideological people which includes...coughpowerfulcough folks and got stuck with reputation accordingly (whatever, no complaints). I normally avoid politics because in the US at least, I am too contrarian and "centrist", but on HN people do engage and correct me or educate me when I am incorrect. At least it used to be so, times are achanging. But tech people keep being political so it's hard to avoid. One particular thread about signal or something, I made a point about Silicon Valley tech types presuming things and interfering with politics in other countries (something about signal or other apps enabling one side of politics to win over the other I think), I think that comment was the last straw before the restrictions (can't be sure though, just guessing), this must have been in 2022. But as the saying goes "if a cop tails a car for 500 miles, that car is getting a ticket!", I am sure I have done plenty more that violate the rules, my only complaint is on how my "punishment" was in secret with no opportunity to self-correct. Maybe like reddit, HN is best lurked? I hope to see better times on HN and make dang's job easier on my part at least. happy 2024!
jorvi 3y ago
This comment got my account aggressively throttled for ~24h: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38728278#38730194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38728278#38730194 There is definitely messed-up biased moderating on HN. That you don’t personally suffer it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >That you don’t personally suffer it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. just because you link to a single comment doesn't mean it was the sole cause of your throttling.