4 ms·

It would be good to hear what the gap actually is, if it’s so obvious.

lproven 3y ago
[Article author here] OK, look, yesterday, I spent an hour carefully writing a simple explanation for some zeeb on Fesse Bouc on why you couldn't expand a ZX Spectrum with more RAM. He replied with a one-line dismissal saying it was boring. I blocked the nasty little troll. Do you really want me to try to explain this, or is this another idle snarky comment? Trying to summarize what's important about this tech is going to take a substantial chunk of my day. It's all in the article anyway. Have you RTFA and read the Wikipedia page on the original Croquet? Have you, in other words, done the absolutely minimal effort?
- justin66 3y ago
  The guy you're replying to leads one of the projects which you dismissed very lazily, and he was looking for some elaboration.
  - lproven 3y ago
    And we are talking. But when everyone uses pseudonyms, it is not obvious. "Arathorn" is Aragorn's father in the Lord of the Rings and it doesn't tell me that anyone is a programmer of anything at all. How was I to know?
- Arathorn 3y ago
  > Do you really want me to try to explain this, or is this another idle snarky comment? Yes, and thanks for doing so at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38803004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38803004. I was hoping for a comparison with Third Room particularly, given TR was directly inspired by the original Croquet (albeit using WASM for shared computation rather than SmallTalk semantics). But it looks as you may have dismissed TR out of hand; I tried to explain its novelties at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38773575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38773575. > Have you RTFA and read the Wikipedia page on the original Croquet? Yes, yes, and I used the original Croquet extensively in the mid-2000's. > Have you, in other words, done the absolutely minimal effort? Yes, I think so. I was more wondering how you felt modern-Croquet compared with other Croquet-inspired decentralised collaboration/comptuation environments like Third Room; I think I have the answer loud and clear now.
  - lproven 3y ago
    Thanks for the very patient and civil response, and I am sorry for my tone. I am far too used to being challenged and confronted about simple statements of historical record in software and technology, but talking to other old farts in the industry, apparently this is now commonplace. :-( I apologise. I was very impressed by the tech demo of Open Croquet that I received, but there is only so much space in a Reg article and I didn't feel that I was technically qualified to go deep into how the tech works. I can respect good tech or a good demo even though I have no use for it myself. I don't do online gaming at all and have not done so since its very early days. It is outside my ballpark: I personally am not interested in using 3D, or gaming, or VR, or programming any of these things. Which is also why I do not follow other entrants in this field. So I am sorry but I'd never heard of TR, or of Mozilla's offering.
lproven 3y ago
I have replied to "ImHereToVote" upthread with my effort at a comment-length summary.

[Article author here] OK, look, yesterday, I spent an hour carefully writing a simple explanation for some zeeb on Fesse Bouc on why you couldn't expand a ZX Spectrum with more RAM. He replied with a one-line dismissal saying it was boring. I blocked the nasty little troll. Do you really want me to try to explain this, or is this another idle snarky comment? Trying to summarize what's important about this tech is going to take a substantial chunk of my day. It's all in the article anyway. Have you RTFA and read the Wikipedia page on the original Croquet? Have you, in other words, done the absolutely minimal effort?

justin66 3y ago
The guy you're replying to leads one of the projects which you dismissed very lazily, and he was looking for some elaboration.
- lproven 3y ago
  And we are talking. But when everyone uses pseudonyms, it is not obvious. "Arathorn" is Aragorn's father in the Lord of the Rings and it doesn't tell me that anyone is a programmer of anything at all. How was I to know?
Arathorn 3y ago
> Do you really want me to try to explain this, or is this another idle snarky comment? Yes, and thanks for doing so at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38803004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38803004. I was hoping for a comparison with Third Room particularly, given TR was directly inspired by the original Croquet (albeit using WASM for shared computation rather than SmallTalk semantics). But it looks as you may have dismissed TR out of hand; I tried to explain its novelties at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38773575 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38773575. > Have you RTFA and read the Wikipedia page on the original Croquet? Yes, yes, and I used the original Croquet extensively in the mid-2000's. > Have you, in other words, done the absolutely minimal effort? Yes, I think so. I was more wondering how you felt modern-Croquet compared with other Croquet-inspired decentralised collaboration/comptuation environments like Third Room; I think I have the answer loud and clear now.
- lproven 3y ago
  Thanks for the very patient and civil response, and I am sorry for my tone. I am far too used to being challenged and confronted about simple statements of historical record in software and technology, but talking to other old farts in the industry, apparently this is now commonplace. :-( I apologise. I was very impressed by the tech demo of Open Croquet that I received, but there is only so much space in a Reg article and I didn't feel that I was technically qualified to go deep into how the tech works. I can respect good tech or a good demo even though I have no use for it myself. I don't do online gaming at all and have not done so since its very early days. It is outside my ballpark: I personally am not interested in using 3D, or gaming, or VR, or programming any of these things. Which is also why I do not follow other entrants in this field. So I am sorry but I'd never heard of TR, or of Mozilla's offering.

lproven 3y ago

I have replied to "ImHereToVote" upthread with my effort at a comment-length summary.