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There’s a Chinese saying, that if you apply weights and measures people will use the weights and measures to cheat and steal. This time we stop measuring emiss

There’s a Chinese saying, that if you apply weights and measures people will use the weights and measures to cheat and steal. This time we stop measuring emissions and just focus on reducing emissions. And that would mean reducing consumption.

pjc50 3y ago
I'm as much of an anti-Taylorist as anyone, but how do you even know whether emissions are reduced without measurement? Reducing "consumption" (of what? measured how?) is probably impossible in a democratic economy - that's known as a recession and tends to cause a change of party.
- Podgajski 3y ago
  We have a seal what increases emissions: driving, flying, buying things, heating, cooling,… I mean, it’s pretty obvious. Focusing on those, rather than trying to quantify, the emissions, released, is much easier. It’s much easier for me to know how much I buy then to try to find out how much admissions are omitted between the things I buy. For example, trying to figure out the emissions created by buying a Tesla for a high mileage, gas powered car. What really matters most? The best answer is buying neither of them. Second best sensor is buying and driving it much less, those both matter more than how much admissions are created by the creation or use these vehicles. They still arguing about how much emissions are caused by elect versus high-efficiency, gas, powered vehicles. In fact, we have something that easily quantifiable versus something that’s almost unquantifiable. We all just need to do a lot less. But that’s why people focus on emissions and not use, because it’s the thing they don’t want to hear.
  - physicles 3y ago
    “We just need to do less” “But that’s called a recession. It won’t happen” “WE JUST NEED TO DO LESS” For better or worse, in a democracy anyone who tells the populace to scale back their lifestyle will not get elected. “We need to do less” is not a solution. It’s wishful thinking. What other solutions are there? Make our current lifestyle less carbon-intensive over time. Yeah it’s not as good as perfect collective action, but it has the advantage of actually being possible.

pjc50 3y ago

I'm as much of an anti-Taylorist as anyone, but how do you even know whether emissions are reduced without measurement? Reducing "consumption" (of what? measured how?) is probably impossible in a democratic economy - that's known as a recession and tends to cause a change of party.

Podgajski 3y ago
We have a seal what increases emissions: driving, flying, buying things, heating, cooling,… I mean, it’s pretty obvious. Focusing on those, rather than trying to quantify, the emissions, released, is much easier. It’s much easier for me to know how much I buy then to try to find out how much admissions are omitted between the things I buy. For example, trying to figure out the emissions created by buying a Tesla for a high mileage, gas powered car. What really matters most? The best answer is buying neither of them. Second best sensor is buying and driving it much less, those both matter more than how much admissions are created by the creation or use these vehicles. They still arguing about how much emissions are caused by elect versus high-efficiency, gas, powered vehicles. In fact, we have something that easily quantifiable versus something that’s almost unquantifiable. We all just need to do a lot less. But that’s why people focus on emissions and not use, because it’s the thing they don’t want to hear.
- physicles 3y ago
  “We just need to do less” “But that’s called a recession. It won’t happen” “WE JUST NEED TO DO LESS” For better or worse, in a democracy anyone who tells the populace to scale back their lifestyle will not get elected. “We need to do less” is not a solution. It’s wishful thinking. What other solutions are there? Make our current lifestyle less carbon-intensive over time. Yeah it’s not as good as perfect collective action, but it has the advantage of actually being possible.