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Adobe Officially Unveils CS6, $49/Month All-Inclusive Subscription Service

64 points by driverdan 15y ago

ecubed 15y ago
I'm surprised they didn't come out with this sooner. Anybody savvy with details as to whether this will bring in more or less income per user than the traditional sales methods?
- kylelibra 15y ago
  Would they go into this if they thought it would make less money? Probably trying to go after users who pirate the software and try to make it seem more appealing to subscribe so they at least get some revenue.
  - jonah 15y ago
    They still sell it in the traditional box too. That's how I'll be upgrading.
Dramatize 15y ago
$20 per month for just Photoshop seems like an easy sell for small businesses who would otherwise pirate a copy.
mey 15y ago
Unrelated, but issues with Adobe's tool suites. http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/ http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/
- panacea 15y ago
  I love that tumblr and agree with the premise that adobe software has flaws, but it's kinda mean to post that link, even with the 'unrelated' signal, don't you think?
  - mey 15y ago
    I guess what do you perceive the value proposition of their software? Is it worth $49/mo?
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twelvechairs 15y ago
Simple maths: Subscription to new CS6 photoshop, $20/mo. Current cost of Photoshop CS5 standalone from amazon, $578. How much time do I have to use the standalone version for before it becomes more effective than the cloud one? [EDIT] 28 months (original post said 28 weeks. apologies for my bad maths and thanks to all those who corrected me.) [/EDIT]
- JoshTriplett 15y ago
  > Simple maths: Subscription to new CS6 photoshop, $20/mo. Current cost of Photoshop CS5 standalone from amazon, $578. How many weeks do I have to use the standalone version for before it becomes more effective than the cloud one? 28. Months, not weeks. You'd have to use the standalone version for 2 years and 4 months before it became more cost effective. And that assumes that a new version doesn't come out in that time.
  - runako 15y ago
    >> You'd have to use the standalone version for 2 years and 4 months before it became more cost effective. You'd have to use it continuously for that time. If you use Photoshop less frequently, ownership makes even less sense. For example, I use Photoshop maybe every few months. It would take me a lot of years of $30/mo to get to $578. And I'd be happier with Adobe when I got there, because I'd be on a current version of the software. I hope they don't mess this up with crappy DRM, like in their standalone CS editions.
    - kylelibra 15y ago
      "I hope they don't mess this up with crappy DRM, like in their standalone CS editions." No kidding. Adobe is a prime example of a company that doesn't understand DRM. I don't need your application to constantly hog my bandwidth after I already gave you several hundred dollars.
    - daeken 15y ago
      As of CS5, don't they do effectively nothing DRM-wise? IIRC, there wasn't even a crack necessary, just a modification to the hosts file during install (to point it to a fake licensing server, presumably). It makes a lot of sense to not invest heavily in DRM once you're where Adobe is.
pg 15y ago
This could be an opportunity for a startup. Adobe is going to lose what was previously their lowest tier of price discrimination: people using pirated copies. I don't know if this is the case, but if a significant number of young illustrators (high school students say) currently start out using pirated copies of Photoshop, then there is an opportunity for someone else to capture all those users, and potentially keep them as they start to have money.
- daeken 15y ago
  While I'm sure there's still some (possibly even a lot -- it's a big market) opportunity there, Adobe is the 500lb gorilla in the space, and they're trying to capture the low end. It seems like the opportunities in this space for a startup just dropped significantly.
- replax 15y ago
  While I agree with you to some extend, there also was a student edition of PS for I think around 200bucks, which offered a reasonable alternative and was regularly subject to various discounts. I think the subscription model may be good for businesses, because they could always be on the latest version without having to go through a new approval process etc. However, for private users the barrier to entry will generally not be lowered I believe. At least not for the occasional amateur photographer/graphic designer/video guy. Many people buy PS once and are on e.g. version 'CS' and stay there for a rather long time. They might try the new thing out, but can always fall back because they "own" a copy and can use it as they please. People do not think as rational about it, the security to always have a fallback is worth a lot apparently.
- citricsquid 15y ago
  Are you suggesting people build alternatives to the Adobe suite? That's not something a startup can just do, there are alternatives that have been around for 5+ years and do not come close to the power of the Adobe suite, for anyone to compete they'll need to be better than all the current free alternatives which isn't something someone can do with 6 months of work. There is definitely room for someone to compete with Adobe, but whether anyone ever can is what matters, there's a reason Photoshop is so widely used when there are free alternatives.
kylelibra 15y ago
I'd like to believe there is a market need for a cheap Photoshop Light. $99 or something low for a version of Photoshop that has 90% of the features removed. Just the most basic ones for the average user left in. I get the sense that most people who pirate Photoshop and make the rest of us endure the terrible DRM are only pirating the $600 piece of software to rotate and crop images because nothing else is out there.
- theallan 15y ago
  That's the corner of the market that Photoshop Elements ( http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-elements.html http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-elements.html ) is targeting is it not? $99 as you suggest!
  - pkmays 15y ago
    Photoshop Elements is actually a totally different product. Someone who's very comfortable with the Photoshop workflow might not like Elements at all. There actually was a Photoshop Light: Photoshop LE. I got a free copy of Photoshop 5.5 LE along with a Wacom tablet. It really was a stripped down Photoshop. Imagine someone had sprinkled #ifdef PHOTOSHOP_LE everywhere and then said "Ship it!" It was nearly the perfect product for me. The only really annoying limitation was working with a single step of undo/redo. I taught me to be very deliberate with my brush strokes. :D
    - philwelch 15y ago
      > Imagine someone had sprinkled #ifdef PHOTOSHOP_LE everywhere and then said "Ship it!" This is a surprisingly common strategy for shrinkwrapped software. I interviewed at Chief Architect once. (http://www.chiefarchitect.com/ http://www.chiefarchitect.com/). They have one codebase. They have about a dozen products overall though, which are all selective builds of the same codebase. Now instead of just selling $2000 software to professionals, they can sell $60-$600 software to hobbyists. Kind of funny thinking about how much money the humble #ifdef has made the software industry, eh?
- 15y ago
tga 15y ago
You rent music until iTunes shuts down, you rent books until Amazon decides to take them back, now it's heavy software that you only get to keep as long as Adobe says it's OK. I still occasionally use a copy of Corel Draw/PhotoPaint 11 that came out in 2002. You know what? It works great and does 99% of what I'd use Illustrator/Photoshop for, and I don't have to keep forking money on it. In fact, I expect to be able to use it just as well 10 years from now. I think Adobe is fighting their biggest competitor here: themselves (like Microsoft and other large software providers). There is little they can keep adding to justify the upgrade, so they are instead making sure you can't hang on to that old copy you're used to. At least they're charging upfront for the same thing and not messing with the toolbars (ahem ribbon ahem) to claim they've added something worthwhile..
- X-Istence 15y ago
  I don't rent music from iTunes at all. Once I purchase it and the bits are on my hard drive I can back them up as I please, I can listen to them as I please and since they don't have DRM I can share them however I want. If iTunes were to shut down tomorrow all of my music purchased from iTunes would continue to function.
  - tga 15y ago
    Good point, I'm a few years behind with that. Movies from iTunes are still protected though, right?
seanalltogether 15y ago
Does this mean Fireworks is dead? I've always preferred it over Photoshop for creating web/clientside assets.
- RossM 15y ago
  Fireworks is still listed as part of the suite (as is Flash).
- cageface 15y ago
  Fireworks is there but doesn't seem to have received a lot of attention. It's a pity. I find it far more useful for the work I do than any of the other suite apps.
- mbylstra 15y ago
  neither photoshop nor fireworks are ideal for creating websites. Some features in fireworks are great but it's missing some important stuff that give photoshop the edge. it will be interesting to see how Adobe Muse turns out in practice.
- Schlaefer 15y ago
  It got a modest update. Nothing earth shattering, but quit useful: http://www.adobe.com/content/dotcom/en/products/fireworks/features._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_featuredisplaytypes_sl_new.html?promoid=JSLVI http://www.adobe.com/content/dotcom/en/products/fireworks/fe... http://www.adobe.com/products/fireworks/buying-guide-version-comparison.html http://www.adobe.com/products/fireworks/buying-guide-version...
herf 15y ago
Photoshop upgrades usually cost <$200, and most people I know skip versions. I think at best Adobe has shipped a version each 18mo (sometimes 2 years). So Photoshop "upgraders" have paid $10/mo in the past, and this is just $5 if you skip versions. $20 is quite a bit more. But I guess it's cheaper for the first year, so maybe new users will like that.
- davidjade 15y ago
 Adobe is moving to a yearly release cycle going forward, with a major/minor tick-tok. They've also made version skipping uneconomical going forward with the elimination of upgrade pricing for all those except the most recent version owners: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/faq.html#upgrade-eligibility http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/faq.html#upgrade...
SpaceDragon 15y ago
I use Dreamweaver practically everyday, it's industry leading software, but it's not irreplaceable. I've tried Microsoft's Expression software and feel is a viable alternative for a one-time price of $79 smackers. If I get an itch to upgrade, it won't be to rent Adobe software.
- nopassrecover 15y ago
 Dreamweaver is an industry standard? I don't know of anyone working web dev using dreamweaver (I've always thought of it as a teaching/hobbyist tool akin to, though obviously better than, FrontPage).
 - jonah 15y ago
 It's the only visual web tool I've seen which generates clean HTML/CSS. Dreamweaver sits right next to Sublime Text 2 in my toolbox and is great for visual layouts. (Saves a lot of typing.) I then switch over to Sublime or something else to hook them up.
 - SquareWheel 15y ago
 Do newer versions output better HTML? Because it's pretty obvious to me when a site has been generated, and when it's been coded manually. I'm sick of seeing everywhere, and CSS rules being called style1, style2, etc.
 - philwelch 15y ago
 Back when I was a kid, I'd play with Dreamweaver and then go back and clean up the generated HTML, which went OK. It wasn't a bad workflow, but as an adult I do it all by hand of course.
 - jonah 15y ago
 Yes. It's pretty sane these days.
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astrodust 15y ago
It's not $79/mo. if you have to pay annually. It's $948 per year. The $49/mo. price point should be the month-to-month price. That's a no brainer. Layout out $1000 in one hit is asking too much when the full purchase price is only a few hundred more.
- adrianhoward 15y ago
  It's not a few hundred more if you want everything in the cloud offering. Creative Cloud gives you many more applications than the CS Master suite - which is $2600. See http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/22/adobe-officially-unveils-cs6-and-its-49month-all-inclusive-creative-cloud-subscription-service/creative_cloud_price_comparison/ http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/22/adobe-officially-unveils-cs... If you just use The Design Standard suite it's a waste... if you use most of the Adobe products and upgrade regularly it's probably a saving.
  - astrodust 15y ago
    That's an interesting point. All I really want is Illustrator, Photoshop and maybe InDesign.
radley 15y ago
The only critical benefit I see to CS6 is (hopefully) compatibility with OSX Lion's new app management scheme. I'm curious to see if/how this catches on. Most creative professionals have already paid for CS so it's more cost effective to upgrade than subscribe, especially if they're doing the skip-every-other-version approach. The only market this works for are enterprise customers who need this kind of payment process. Perhaps the next generation or two will adopt subscriptions, but I'm skeptical. Like Paul said, if CS becomes subscription only, most new designers will look for something pirateble and/or affordable first.
- davidjade 15y ago
  Except Adobe killed upgrade pricing if you skip versions now. Only CS5 and 5.5 owners get upgrade pricing for CS6. There is a temporary reprieve for CS 3 & 4 owners until the end of 2012 (they backtracked somewhat after user feedback). After that only the most recent previous version get upgrade pricing going forward - everyone else pays full price. This effectively kills version skipping as for the suites you'd typically have to skip 3-4 versions to spend less than $50/month overall in the end.
  - radley 15y ago
    Hardly. If you've paid for CS5.5 Master Collection, your total upgrade cost is $549. Even if you've only paid for CS2 Design Standard, the upgrade cost is $1399. Considering a two-year subscription cycle costs $1200-$1900, it's more cost effective to upgrade. If you're short term, subscriptions are probably ok. But if you're committed long term they're a HUGE risk.
galfarragem 15y ago
I don't know if "pirates" are aware of it but the cloud will change pirated software game. Not on audio (that's why audio industry keep on complaining) but on top software for sure (we don't listen them complaining..). Free use of top software will have hard times. Is this good?
ed209 15y ago
um... or $75/Month if you are in the UK http://cl.ly/0W0O1T23121r0O0d0g0j http://cl.ly/0W0O1T23121r0O0d0g0j
- adrianhoward 15y ago
  The UK figure is inclusive of VAT. The US figure is exclusive of sales tax. So the ex-VAT figure would really be about $62. So only about $12 on top - and a chunk of that 12 will disappear dealing with hedging exchange rate nonsense.
- paulofisch 15y ago
  Even accounting for VAT@20% this is still a £9 price increase over the US price. It's not that hard to put the 'u' back in color.
  - ed209 15y ago
    although they seem to be charing a VAT rate of 23% http://cl.ly/1g382s2t1P290Y0i2V3S http://cl.ly/1g382s2t1P290Y0i2V3S - which I can't see any reference to in the VAT rates guide for the UK http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/rates.htm http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/rates.htm
cmillllllls 15y ago
At least they're listening to their customers... Love the SAAS model.
mark_l_watson 15y ago
I think that this is a really good idea. $588/year is expensive for hobbyists but not for serious amateurs and professionals. The online storage and iPad integration for editing while travelling also looks great. A little off topic, but one of the architects of Creative Cloud called me a couple of months ago, mainly to talk about Clojure vs. Java development, and that got me interested in Creative Cloud. I probably won't be a customer though: I have invested a lot of time learning Final Cut Pro 7 and the combination of expense and the getting up to speed time is a deal breaker for me.
pclark 15y ago
I paid for Photoshop 6, and then CS1 and CS3. I'll happily pay $29/mo (and even $49/mo) for the Creative Suite. I think that a lot of people under estimate the power of Photoshop and the other applications -- there is no alternative because nothing robustly imports and exports as .psd files. Photoshop especially is an example of a Microsoft Office esque product in that every designer I know uses Photoshop in a subtly different manner, making it nearly impossible for anyone to create a "Photoshop killer." I also secretly love Fireworks, despite it not being updated for about six years. I have always thought Adobe did a pretty good job at combatting piracy, especially in the more recent CS versions: it really is a lot of work to pirate the applications now. The applications are total trash to use though if you're anyone other than someone that is not technically sophisticated save for growing up in the Adobe world. (designers, basically.)

64 points by driverdan 15y ago

I'm surprised they didn't come out with this sooner. Anybody savvy with details as to whether this will bring in more or less income per user than the traditional sales methods?

kylelibra 15y ago
Would they go into this if they thought it would make less money? Probably trying to go after users who pirate the software and try to make it seem more appealing to subscribe so they at least get some revenue.
- jonah 15y ago
  They still sell it in the traditional box too. That's how I'll be upgrading.

Dramatize 15y ago

$20 per month for just Photoshop seems like an easy sell for small businesses who would otherwise pirate a copy.

mey 15y ago

Unrelated, but issues with Adobe's tool suites. http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/ http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/

panacea 15y ago
I love that tumblr and agree with the premise that adobe software has flaws, but it's kinda mean to post that link, even with the 'unrelated' signal, don't you think?
- mey 15y ago
  I guess what do you perceive the value proposition of their software? Is it worth $49/mo?
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twelvechairs 15y ago

Simple maths: Subscription to new CS6 photoshop, $20/mo. Current cost of Photoshop CS5 standalone from amazon, $578. How much time do I have to use the standalone version for before it becomes more effective than the cloud one? [EDIT] 28 months (original post said 28 weeks. apologies for my bad maths and thanks to all those who corrected me.) [/EDIT]

JoshTriplett 15y ago
> Simple maths: Subscription to new CS6 photoshop, $20/mo. Current cost of Photoshop CS5 standalone from amazon, $578. How many weeks do I have to use the standalone version for before it becomes more effective than the cloud one? 28. Months, not weeks. You'd have to use the standalone version for 2 years and 4 months before it became more cost effective. And that assumes that a new version doesn't come out in that time.
- runako 15y ago
  >> You'd have to use the standalone version for 2 years and 4 months before it became more cost effective. You'd have to use it continuously for that time. If you use Photoshop less frequently, ownership makes even less sense. For example, I use Photoshop maybe every few months. It would take me a lot of years of $30/mo to get to $578. And I'd be happier with Adobe when I got there, because I'd be on a current version of the software. I hope they don't mess this up with crappy DRM, like in their standalone CS editions.
  - kylelibra 15y ago
    "I hope they don't mess this up with crappy DRM, like in their standalone CS editions." No kidding. Adobe is a prime example of a company that doesn't understand DRM. I don't need your application to constantly hog my bandwidth after I already gave you several hundred dollars.
  - daeken 15y ago
    As of CS5, don't they do effectively nothing DRM-wise? IIRC, there wasn't even a crack necessary, just a modification to the hosts file during install (to point it to a fake licensing server, presumably). It makes a lot of sense to not invest heavily in DRM once you're where Adobe is.

pg 15y ago

This could be an opportunity for a startup. Adobe is going to lose what was previously their lowest tier of price discrimination: people using pirated copies. I don't know if this is the case, but if a significant number of young illustrators (high school students say) currently start out using pirated copies of Photoshop, then there is an opportunity for someone else to capture all those users, and potentially keep them as they start to have money.

daeken 15y ago
While I'm sure there's still some (possibly even a lot -- it's a big market) opportunity there, Adobe is the 500lb gorilla in the space, and they're trying to capture the low end. It seems like the opportunities in this space for a startup just dropped significantly.
replax 15y ago
While I agree with you to some extend, there also was a student edition of PS for I think around 200bucks, which offered a reasonable alternative and was regularly subject to various discounts. I think the subscription model may be good for businesses, because they could always be on the latest version without having to go through a new approval process etc. However, for private users the barrier to entry will generally not be lowered I believe. At least not for the occasional amateur photographer/graphic designer/video guy. Many people buy PS once and are on e.g. version 'CS' and stay there for a rather long time. They might try the new thing out, but can always fall back because they "own" a copy and can use it as they please. People do not think as rational about it, the security to always have a fallback is worth a lot apparently.
citricsquid 15y ago
Are you suggesting people build alternatives to the Adobe suite? That's not something a startup can just do, there are alternatives that have been around for 5+ years and do not come close to the power of the Adobe suite, for anyone to compete they'll need to be better than all the current free alternatives which isn't something someone can do with 6 months of work. There is definitely room for someone to compete with Adobe, but whether anyone ever can is what matters, there's a reason Photoshop is so widely used when there are free alternatives.

kylelibra 15y ago

I'd like to believe there is a market need for a cheap Photoshop Light. $99 or something low for a version of Photoshop that has 90% of the features removed. Just the most basic ones for the average user left in. I get the sense that most people who pirate Photoshop and make the rest of us endure the terrible DRM are only pirating the $600 piece of software to rotate and crop images because nothing else is out there.

theallan 15y ago
That's the corner of the market that Photoshop Elements ( http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-elements.html http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-elements.html ) is targeting is it not? $99 as you suggest!
- pkmays 15y ago
  Photoshop Elements is actually a totally different product. Someone who's very comfortable with the Photoshop workflow might not like Elements at all. There actually was a Photoshop Light: Photoshop LE. I got a free copy of Photoshop 5.5 LE along with a Wacom tablet. It really was a stripped down Photoshop. Imagine someone had sprinkled #ifdef PHOTOSHOP_LE everywhere and then said "Ship it!" It was nearly the perfect product for me. The only really annoying limitation was working with a single step of undo/redo. I taught me to be very deliberate with my brush strokes. :D
  - philwelch 15y ago
    > Imagine someone had sprinkled #ifdef PHOTOSHOP_LE everywhere and then said "Ship it!" This is a surprisingly common strategy for shrinkwrapped software. I interviewed at Chief Architect once. (http://www.chiefarchitect.com/ http://www.chiefarchitect.com/). They have one codebase. They have about a dozen products overall though, which are all selective builds of the same codebase. Now instead of just selling $2000 software to professionals, they can sell $60-$600 software to hobbyists. Kind of funny thinking about how much money the humble #ifdef has made the software industry, eh?
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tga 15y ago

You rent music until iTunes shuts down, you rent books until Amazon decides to take them back, now it's heavy software that you only get to keep as long as Adobe says it's OK. I still occasionally use a copy of Corel Draw/PhotoPaint 11 that came out in 2002. You know what? It works great and does 99% of what I'd use Illustrator/Photoshop for, and I don't have to keep forking money on it. In fact, I expect to be able to use it just as well 10 years from now. I think Adobe is fighting their biggest competitor here: themselves (like Microsoft and other large software providers). There is little they can keep adding to justify the upgrade, so they are instead making sure you can't hang on to that old copy you're used to. At least they're charging upfront for the same thing and not messing with the toolbars (ahem ribbon ahem) to claim they've added something worthwhile..

X-Istence 15y ago
I don't rent music from iTunes at all. Once I purchase it and the bits are on my hard drive I can back them up as I please, I can listen to them as I please and since they don't have DRM I can share them however I want. If iTunes were to shut down tomorrow all of my music purchased from iTunes would continue to function.
- tga 15y ago
  Good point, I'm a few years behind with that. Movies from iTunes are still protected though, right?

seanalltogether 15y ago

Does this mean Fireworks is dead? I've always preferred it over Photoshop for creating web/clientside assets.

RossM 15y ago
Fireworks is still listed as part of the suite (as is Flash).
cageface 15y ago
Fireworks is there but doesn't seem to have received a lot of attention. It's a pity. I find it far more useful for the work I do than any of the other suite apps.
mbylstra 15y ago
neither photoshop nor fireworks are ideal for creating websites. Some features in fireworks are great but it's missing some important stuff that give photoshop the edge. it will be interesting to see how Adobe Muse turns out in practice.
Schlaefer 15y ago
It got a modest update. Nothing earth shattering, but quit useful: http://www.adobe.com/content/dotcom/en/products/fireworks/features._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_featuredisplaytypes_sl_new.html?promoid=JSLVI http://www.adobe.com/content/dotcom/en/products/fireworks/fe... http://www.adobe.com/products/fireworks/buying-guide-version-comparison.html http://www.adobe.com/products/fireworks/buying-guide-version...

herf 15y ago

Photoshop upgrades usually cost <$200, and most people I know skip versions. I think at best Adobe has shipped a version each 18mo (sometimes 2 years). So Photoshop "upgraders" have paid $10/mo in the past, and this is just $5 if you skip versions. $20 is quite a bit more. But I guess it's cheaper for the first year, so maybe new users will like that.

davidjade 15y ago
Adobe is moving to a yearly release cycle going forward, with a major/minor tick-tok. They've also made version skipping uneconomical going forward with the elimination of upgrade pricing for all those except the most recent version owners: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/faq.html#upgrade-eligibility http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/faq.html#upgrade...

SpaceDragon 15y ago

I use Dreamweaver practically everyday, it's industry leading software, but it's not irreplaceable. I've tried Microsoft's Expression software and feel is a viable alternative for a one-time price of $79 smackers. If I get an itch to upgrade, it won't be to rent Adobe software.

nopassrecover 15y ago
Dreamweaver is an industry standard? I don't know of anyone working web dev using dreamweaver (I've always thought of it as a teaching/hobbyist tool akin to, though obviously better than, FrontPage).
- jonah 15y ago
 It's the only visual web tool I've seen which generates clean HTML/CSS. Dreamweaver sits right next to Sublime Text 2 in my toolbox and is great for visual layouts. (Saves a lot of typing.) I then switch over to Sublime or something else to hook them up.
 - SquareWheel 15y ago
 Do newer versions output better HTML? Because it's pretty obvious to me when a site has been generated, and when it's been coded manually. I'm sick of seeing everywhere, and CSS rules being called style1, style2, etc.
 - philwelch 15y ago
 Back when I was a kid, I'd play with Dreamweaver and then go back and clean up the generated HTML, which went OK. It wasn't a bad workflow, but as an adult I do it all by hand of course.
 - jonah 15y ago
 Yes. It's pretty sane these days.
 - 15y ago

astrodust 15y ago

It's not $79/mo. if you have to pay annually. It's $948 per year. The $49/mo. price point should be the month-to-month price. That's a no brainer. Layout out $1000 in one hit is asking too much when the full purchase price is only a few hundred more.

adrianhoward 15y ago
It's not a few hundred more if you want everything in the cloud offering. Creative Cloud gives you many more applications than the CS Master suite - which is $2600. See http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/22/adobe-officially-unveils-cs6-and-its-49month-all-inclusive-creative-cloud-subscription-service/creative_cloud_price_comparison/ http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/22/adobe-officially-unveils-cs... If you just use The Design Standard suite it's a waste... if you use most of the Adobe products and upgrade regularly it's probably a saving.
- astrodust 15y ago
  That's an interesting point. All I really want is Illustrator, Photoshop and maybe InDesign.

radley 15y ago

The only critical benefit I see to CS6 is (hopefully) compatibility with OSX Lion's new app management scheme. I'm curious to see if/how this catches on. Most creative professionals have already paid for CS so it's more cost effective to upgrade than subscribe, especially if they're doing the skip-every-other-version approach. The only market this works for are enterprise customers who need this kind of payment process. Perhaps the next generation or two will adopt subscriptions, but I'm skeptical. Like Paul said, if CS becomes subscription only, most new designers will look for something pirateble and/or affordable first.

davidjade 15y ago
Except Adobe killed upgrade pricing if you skip versions now. Only CS5 and 5.5 owners get upgrade pricing for CS6. There is a temporary reprieve for CS 3 & 4 owners until the end of 2012 (they backtracked somewhat after user feedback). After that only the most recent previous version get upgrade pricing going forward - everyone else pays full price. This effectively kills version skipping as for the suites you'd typically have to skip 3-4 versions to spend less than $50/month overall in the end.
- radley 15y ago
  Hardly. If you've paid for CS5.5 Master Collection, your total upgrade cost is $549. Even if you've only paid for CS2 Design Standard, the upgrade cost is $1399. Considering a two-year subscription cycle costs $1200-$1900, it's more cost effective to upgrade. If you're short term, subscriptions are probably ok. But if you're committed long term they're a HUGE risk.

galfarragem 15y ago

I don't know if "pirates" are aware of it but the cloud will change pirated software game. Not on audio (that's why audio industry keep on complaining) but on top software for sure (we don't listen them complaining..). Free use of top software will have hard times. Is this good?

ed209 15y ago

um... or $75/Month if you are in the UK http://cl.ly/0W0O1T23121r0O0d0g0j http://cl.ly/0W0O1T23121r0O0d0g0j

adrianhoward 15y ago
The UK figure is inclusive of VAT. The US figure is exclusive of sales tax. So the ex-VAT figure would really be about $62. So only about $12 on top - and a chunk of that 12 will disappear dealing with hedging exchange rate nonsense.
paulofisch 15y ago
Even accounting for VAT@20% this is still a £9 price increase over the US price. It's not that hard to put the 'u' back in color.
- ed209 15y ago
  although they seem to be charing a VAT rate of 23% http://cl.ly/1g382s2t1P290Y0i2V3S http://cl.ly/1g382s2t1P290Y0i2V3S - which I can't see any reference to in the VAT rates guide for the UK http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/rates.htm http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/forms-rates/rates/rates.htm

cmillllllls 15y ago

At least they're listening to their customers... Love the SAAS model.

mark_l_watson 15y ago

I think that this is a really good idea. $588/year is expensive for hobbyists but not for serious amateurs and professionals. The online storage and iPad integration for editing while travelling also looks great. A little off topic, but one of the architects of Creative Cloud called me a couple of months ago, mainly to talk about Clojure vs. Java development, and that got me interested in Creative Cloud. I probably won't be a customer though: I have invested a lot of time learning Final Cut Pro 7 and the combination of expense and the getting up to speed time is a deal breaker for me.

pclark 15y ago

I paid for Photoshop 6, and then CS1 and CS3. I'll happily pay $29/mo (and even $49/mo) for the Creative Suite. I think that a lot of people under estimate the power of Photoshop and the other applications -- there is no alternative because nothing robustly imports and exports as .psd files. Photoshop especially is an example of a Microsoft Office esque product in that every designer I know uses Photoshop in a subtly different manner, making it nearly impossible for anyone to create a "Photoshop killer." I also secretly love Fireworks, despite it not being updated for about six years. I have always thought Adobe did a pretty good job at combatting piracy, especially in the more recent CS versions: it really is a lot of work to pirate the applications now. The applications are total trash to use though if you're anyone other than someone that is not technically sophisticated save for growing up in the Adobe world. (designers, basically.)