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Not disagreeing, but this example seems like a data/tagging problem which is probably some other department.

by satyrnein 3y ago

vasco 3y ago
Which would be flagged in the weekly review on the first week?
malfist 3y ago
Data tagging makes Walmart throw a huge banner ad for pancakes into your search for lentils?
- Zetobal 3y ago
  I mean if someone tags pancakes as lentils... that said we had great success by using gpt4-v for product tagging tbh. it really is a game changer.
- marginalia_nu 3y ago
  Lentil pancakes are actually a thing to be fair.
- marcinzm 3y ago
  The money from showing a pancake ad make them do that. It's not a search problem. They know it's not a good experience but they also know it makes them more money than not showing it. The goal is money. Your experience is merely a means to that end. The profit margins on selling products are abysmal for e-commerce. The profit margins on ads are amazing.
ellisv 3y ago
Ideally, manufacturers and sellers would provide more, accurate information about products -- but I generally like how Google solved this within Google Maps via crowdsourcing by prompting users to answer questions about places (e.g. does this place have a wheelchair ramp?). I wish there was a better process to collect and store product information so it could be more easily shared.
pc86 3y ago
And in any sane company, the minute a product person says "oh this egregious error is a problem for some other department" they'd be fired immediately, so it still sounds like a useful exercise. I'll be the first admit I don't have a ton of respect for the "product owner" role which has morphed largely into Tom Smykowski from Office Space[0] but the places I've seen them be actually effective and net positives for an organization are where they have the reach and authority to demand things like this be fixed, regardless of what department is "in charge." IMO a product owner who doesn't do this is refusing to do one of the few useful product owner roles. [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/characters/nm0726223 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/characters/nm0726223
prepend 3y ago
I’ve had good results with brute forcing tagging even when it’s not my job. If I use my product and hate it, I make it better. Knowing they some other department sucks for years is no good. I think all this boils down to companies not really giving a flip.
madeofpalk 3y ago
The product is bad. Shifting the blame around doesn't magically make the product better.

Not disagreeing, but this example seems like a data/tagging problem which is probably some other department.

vasco 3y ago

Which would be flagged in the weekly review on the first week?

malfist 3y ago

Data tagging makes Walmart throw a huge banner ad for pancakes into your search for lentils?

Zetobal 3y ago
I mean if someone tags pancakes as lentils... that said we had great success by using gpt4-v for product tagging tbh. it really is a game changer.
marginalia_nu 3y ago
Lentil pancakes are actually a thing to be fair.
marcinzm 3y ago
The money from showing a pancake ad make them do that. It's not a search problem. They know it's not a good experience but they also know it makes them more money than not showing it. The goal is money. Your experience is merely a means to that end. The profit margins on selling products are abysmal for e-commerce. The profit margins on ads are amazing.

ellisv 3y ago

Ideally, manufacturers and sellers would provide more, accurate information about products -- but I generally like how Google solved this within Google Maps via crowdsourcing by prompting users to answer questions about places (e.g. does this place have a wheelchair ramp?). I wish there was a better process to collect and store product information so it could be more easily shared.

pc86 3y ago

And in any sane company, the minute a product person says "oh this egregious error is a problem for some other department" they'd be fired immediately, so it still sounds like a useful exercise. I'll be the first admit I don't have a ton of respect for the "product owner" role which has morphed largely into Tom Smykowski from Office Space[0] but the places I've seen them be actually effective and net positives for an organization are where they have the reach and authority to demand things like this be fixed, regardless of what department is "in charge." IMO a product owner who doesn't do this is refusing to do one of the few useful product owner roles. [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/characters/nm0726223 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/characters/nm0726223

prepend 3y ago

I’ve had good results with brute forcing tagging even when it’s not my job. If I use my product and hate it, I make it better. Knowing they some other department sucks for years is no good. I think all this boils down to companies not really giving a flip.

madeofpalk 3y ago

The product is bad. Shifting the blame around doesn't magically make the product better.