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Maybe just measure CO2 in the atmosphere? And maybe put international pressure on the largest emitters? (China and India)

by _3u10 3y ago

netsharc 3y ago
China is where Walmart gets their cheap crap (and Apple their iPhones ), tax the CO2 and the people shopping at Walmart get mad that everything's more expensive. Slash, the manufacturers look for other countries where maybe the CO2 expulsion is under the limit, or the reporting isn't that robust... Because hey if they're not competitive price-wise, the customers look elsewhere for their cheap crap...
- snowpid 3y ago
  je vous presente https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_Border_Adjustment_Mechanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_Border_Adjustment_Mecha...
- thworp 3y ago
  Ah yes, clearly it's only those people shopping at Walmart that would not be happy about price increases. More than that, it's only that cheap crap that they buy that would get more expensive. Enlightened people like you will just stand above it and buy nothing but organic, locally sourced crap!
  - _3u10 3y ago
    With a high carbon footprint due to the price local labour is paid and the amount of stuff they purchase. When you buy from China and India you know people are only getting paid enough to just buy food and a small place to live, drastically reducing their carbon footprint.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    Nah, I also like my products as cheap as possible. As do you (if I can guess). Hey, aren't we all good members of this capitalistic system? Sadly the masses will vote for their near-term interest and not to avoid +3 degree C catastrophe they haven't paid attention about, which is anyway "many many years in the future".
nvm0n2 3y ago
That's measured already since the 60s. You never see any reference to it because what it shows is a constant rate of increase that is entirely unaffected by literally anything you can think of. Rise of China? No impact. Lockdowns and the global air travel shutdown? No impact. Renewables revolution? Invisible. Great recession? Of course not. And all the international conferences and agreements.... well, you get the picture. This fact is discouraging which is why the media and government enforce a blanket silence about it. Along with many other aspects of climate science.

Maybe just measure CO2 in the atmosphere? And maybe put international pressure on the largest emitters? (China and India)

by _3u10 3y ago

Maybe just measure CO2 in the atmosphere? And maybe put international pressure on the largest emitters? (China and India)

netsharc 3y ago

China is where Walmart gets their cheap crap (and Apple their iPhones ), tax the CO2 and the people shopping at Walmart get mad that everything's more expensive. Slash, the manufacturers look for other countries where maybe the CO2 expulsion is under the limit, or the reporting isn't that robust... Because hey if they're not competitive price-wise, the customers look elsewhere for their cheap crap...

snowpid 3y ago
je vous presente https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_Border_Adjustment_Mechanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_Border_Adjustment_Mecha...
thworp 3y ago
Ah yes, clearly it's only those people shopping at Walmart that would not be happy about price increases. More than that, it's only that cheap crap that they buy that would get more expensive. Enlightened people like you will just stand above it and buy nothing but organic, locally sourced crap!
- _3u10 3y ago
  With a high carbon footprint due to the price local labour is paid and the amount of stuff they purchase. When you buy from China and India you know people are only getting paid enough to just buy food and a small place to live, drastically reducing their carbon footprint.
- netsharc 3y ago
  Nah, I also like my products as cheap as possible. As do you (if I can guess). Hey, aren't we all good members of this capitalistic system? Sadly the masses will vote for their near-term interest and not to avoid +3 degree C catastrophe they haven't paid attention about, which is anyway "many many years in the future".

nvm0n2 3y ago

That's measured already since the 60s. You never see any reference to it because what it shows is a constant rate of increase that is entirely unaffected by literally anything you can think of. Rise of China? No impact. Lockdowns and the global air travel shutdown? No impact. Renewables revolution? Invisible. Great recession? Of course not. And all the international conferences and agreements.... well, you get the picture. This fact is discouraging which is why the media and government enforce a blanket silence about it. Along with many other aspects of climate science.