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My claim is not that public transport is perfect everywhere else in Europe, only that the preconditions for good public transport are much better in the UK than

My claim is not that public transport is perfect everywhere else in Europe, only that the preconditions for good public transport are much better in the UK than in most other countries, such as France or Germany, yet it isn't vastly superior. In my personal experience, public transport in the UK is definitely worse than in Switzerland, the Netherlands and Denmark, but I would argue it's worse than in Germany, France and even Sweden. Mind you, I don't restrict this to trains, buses make more sense in scarcely populated areas and their reliability tends to be highly affected by local politics.

00deadbeef 3y ago
The UK does have good public transport. It just doesn't have amazing public transport. I would disagree public transport in Germany is better. Deutsche Bahn trains are notorious for being late.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Ekeryone complains about their local system. What does the data show?
  - chupasaurus 3y ago
    That 34.8% of long-distance trains were late in 2022. [0] [0] https://ibir.deutschebahn.com/2022/fileadmin/pdf/dufe_2022.pdf https://ibir.deutschebahn.com/2022/fileadmin/pdf/dufe_2022.p...
- okeuro49 3y ago
  > Deutsche Bahn trains are notorious for being late. Statements like this don't make sense unless you take into account cultural differences in what "late" means. In Germany people think that a 5-10 minute delay is unacceptable. In the UK trains are so frequently late and cancelled that when a train is 5-10 mins late, it's considered on time.
  - 00deadbeef 3y ago
    No that's not true. UK punctuality figures are based on actual lateness, not perceived lateness. If a train is more than 15 minutes late in the UK you're entitled to compensation on a sliding scale up to one hour when you're entitled to a full refund of your ticket.
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  - dukeyukey 3y ago
    I don't know about that, I take trains in the UK a lot, and the _vast_ majority arrive exactly when expected.

00deadbeef 3y ago

The UK does have good public transport. It just doesn't have amazing public transport. I would disagree public transport in Germany is better. Deutsche Bahn trains are notorious for being late.

bluGill 3y ago
Ekeryone complains about their local system. What does the data show?
- chupasaurus 3y ago
  That 34.8% of long-distance trains were late in 2022. [0] [0] https://ibir.deutschebahn.com/2022/fileadmin/pdf/dufe_2022.pdf https://ibir.deutschebahn.com/2022/fileadmin/pdf/dufe_2022.p...
okeuro49 3y ago
> Deutsche Bahn trains are notorious for being late. Statements like this don't make sense unless you take into account cultural differences in what "late" means. In Germany people think that a 5-10 minute delay is unacceptable. In the UK trains are so frequently late and cancelled that when a train is 5-10 mins late, it's considered on time.
- 00deadbeef 3y ago
  No that's not true. UK punctuality figures are based on actual lateness, not perceived lateness. If a train is more than 15 minutes late in the UK you're entitled to compensation on a sliding scale up to one hour when you're entitled to a full refund of your ticket.
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- dukeyukey 3y ago
  I don't know about that, I take trains in the UK a lot, and the _vast_ majority arrive exactly when expected.