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"Most people with kids and mortgages get by on less than 150k" Phil. I will say this the nicest way I can. I'd like to know where you are getting your info fro

by larrys 15y ago

"Most people with kids and mortgages get by on less than 150k" Phil. I will say this the nicest way I can. I'd like to know where you are getting your info from? By your resume you are 4 years out of college. I'm a bit older and have 2 children, one in college as well as obviously many friends with children in college. My wife has 200k in Medical school debt to pay off. 150k is a nice salary, no doubt. But to say "If you really can't make ends meet on 150k you've overextended yourself." doesn't take into account someone's total financial situation and what their other obligations are.

viscanti 15y ago
If you can't make ends meet on 150k a year, you shouldn't be a startup CEO. It's that simple. If you need more security or up front money, there are plenty of other industries and established businesses you can work in. No one has to be a startup CEO. A big part of being a startup CEO is the upside potential of the equity you get. You're sitting on potentially life changing amount of equity and your job is to make it actually worth something. If you need more than 150k a year, you've over extended yourself as a startup CEO and should probably do something else. Life is a series of tradeoffs. If you can't (or don't want to) do what it takes to be a startup CEO (and a big part of that is gambling on the future value of your equity), just go do something else. The 150k figure is for funded startup CEO's. If you build your own profitable company and want to pay yourself more, go for it. There's plenty of routes to the end. If you can't cut it on 150k a year for whatever reason (your wife's medical school debt, kids, required lifestyle, etc), just do something else.
waterlesscloud 15y ago
"If you really can't make ends meet on 150k you've overextended yourself." and "...someone's total financial situation and what their other obligations are." Are not wholly unrelated ideas.
philwelch 15y ago
I don't know why you're making this personal, Larry. If it's such a struggle for you to be civil with me and discuss the facts rather than dragging our respective life histories into the conversation, you should find a better hobby than Hacker News. Statistically, the median income for a family in Mountain View, California in 2007 was $105,079. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_View,_California#Demographics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_View,_California#Demog...) (This is higher than San Francisco, and MTV also includes more families with children, which is why I've chosen it as a basis of comparison.) Compare that to a individual income of roughly half again as much. Unless you're asserting that more than 50% of Mountain View families are struggling to get by, you have to admit that someone who can't make ends meet on 150k has an unusually high level of financial commitment. Such a person is unlikely to be a startup CEO, especially since most startups fail and leave their employees suddenly unemployed. I'd rather not get into your personal business, so let's speak more generally. Medical school is expensive and leaves one with a lot of debt, but unless you've made a horrible mistake, it also makes you a physician, who presumably can earn enough income to cover that debt. If not, medical school is a terrible investment. But in Mountain View, at least, the average physician apparently earns $131,000 a year (http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Physician-l-Mountain-View,-CA.html http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Physician-l-Mountain-View,-CA...), which means our hypothetical CEO/doctor couple has a combined income of $281,000, about 2 and 2/3 times the median. I don't know anything about you or your friends, and I don't really care to because it's not a personal argument despite your constant desire to make it so, but if being unable to make ends meet on almost three times the median family income in your town isn't overextending yourself, what is?

by larrys 15y ago

viscanti 15y ago

If you can't make ends meet on 150k a year, you shouldn't be a startup CEO. It's that simple. If you need more security or up front money, there are plenty of other industries and established businesses you can work in. No one has to be a startup CEO. A big part of being a startup CEO is the upside potential of the equity you get. You're sitting on potentially life changing amount of equity and your job is to make it actually worth something. If you need more than 150k a year, you've over extended yourself as a startup CEO and should probably do something else. Life is a series of tradeoffs. If you can't (or don't want to) do what it takes to be a startup CEO (and a big part of that is gambling on the future value of your equity), just go do something else. The 150k figure is for funded startup CEO's. If you build your own profitable company and want to pay yourself more, go for it. There's plenty of routes to the end. If you can't cut it on 150k a year for whatever reason (your wife's medical school debt, kids, required lifestyle, etc), just do something else.

waterlesscloud 15y ago

"If you really can't make ends meet on 150k you've overextended yourself." and "...someone's total financial situation and what their other obligations are." Are not wholly unrelated ideas.

philwelch 15y ago

I don't know why you're making this personal, Larry. If it's such a struggle for you to be civil with me and discuss the facts rather than dragging our respective life histories into the conversation, you should find a better hobby than Hacker News. Statistically, the median income for a family in Mountain View, California in 2007 was $105,079. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_View,_California#Demographics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_View,_California#Demog...) (This is higher than San Francisco, and MTV also includes more families with children, which is why I've chosen it as a basis of comparison.) Compare that to a individual income of roughly half again as much. Unless you're asserting that more than 50% of Mountain View families are struggling to get by, you have to admit that someone who can't make ends meet on 150k has an unusually high level of financial commitment. Such a person is unlikely to be a startup CEO, especially since most startups fail and leave their employees suddenly unemployed. I'd rather not get into your personal business, so let's speak more generally. Medical school is expensive and leaves one with a lot of debt, but unless you've made a horrible mistake, it also makes you a physician, who presumably can earn enough income to cover that debt. If not, medical school is a terrible investment. But in Mountain View, at least, the average physician apparently earns $131,000 a year (http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Physician-l-Mountain-View,-CA.html http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Physician-l-Mountain-View,-CA...), which means our hypothetical CEO/doctor couple has a combined income of $281,000, about 2 and 2/3 times the median. I don't know anything about you or your friends, and I don't really care to because it's not a personal argument despite your constant desire to make it so, but if being unable to make ends meet on almost three times the median family income in your town isn't overextending yourself, what is?