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What isn’t certain to me is that it’s not too late. We have freaking cooked this world. It’s going to be 9c above average where I am next week. Almost no snow f

What isn’t certain to me is that it’s not too late. We have freaking cooked this world. It’s going to be 9c above average where I am next week. Almost no snow fall. I can’t imagine what summer will be like…

est31 3y ago
The global extinction event is here, yes, but it can always be worse. The slower climate change is, the more easily we can adapt to it. Maybe we will reach tipping points later like the release of frozen methane. This gives valuable time to relocate populations and deploy countermeasures.
- vkou 3y ago
  > This gives valuable time to relocate populations and deploy countermeasures. Relocate populations? We won't even handle a few hundred thousand refugees of wars we've started, and you're talking about global migration.
  - kyriakos 3y ago
    Unpopular, sad and inconvenient truth is that without shrinking human population we won't survive the climate apocalypse. So migration may not be the solution.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      So, casually arguing for genocide at unprecedented scale? All for the greater good of mankind?
      - kyriakos 3y ago
        What I'm saying is that we already triggered the genocide by human activities of the past 100+ years - we reached the point of no return so a lot of people will die due to the effects of climate change.
lgkk 3y ago
Honestly and I’m sure I’ll get some flack for this. I’m not so sure we need to be that alarmed. First of all, I’m all about renewable energy I don’t like burning fossil fuels. I think planes and gas cars and cargo ships are awful emitters of nasty gases. However, we can’t even accurately model the global weather system. We keep changing the scientific definitions every decade. Off topic but first the universe was 13b years now it’s way more. Or this kind of fat is bad but flip flop some time later that it is good. The ozone hole was huge, then it turns out it’s patched. Sometimes arctic ice is melting so fast we will all be underwater in 2040. Other times it is somehow way more than expected. I’m in California and the wildfires probably release a shit ton of bad juju into the air. Some volcano erupts and just spews black smoke into the air. Our planet has literally been killed by asteroids. And life bounced back. There were no humans then sure, but what I’m trying to say is that nothing is really that certain. I’m a software engineer I literally hack systems to make them work together. We have insane test coverage and shit still goes wack sometimes. It gets patched and we move on, and our tech is definitely far better and powerful than a month, a year, or a decade ago. Humans will figure it out. We aren’t going to die out. We shouldn’t kill progress because of doomerism fueled by paranoia.
- spockz 3y ago
  Again, the argument is never that we won’t be able to survive as a species. The argument is that the climate change will greatly disrupt the current status quo, changing large parts of coastal parts into sea, displacing many people. Then current food production will get disrupted causing further displacement. The species will most likely survive. Whether is on the same advanced level and whether we will be able to make progress still, that is another matter altogether.
- jl6 3y ago
  You are correct that doomerism is bad and wrong but your examples of scientific uncertainty are iffy. The 13b year estimate for the age of the universe is about right. A better estimate is 13.8b, which is not way more. The ozone hole didn’t “turn out” to be patched. We identified a problem, took specific actions to address it (migrate off CFCs), and that repair project is still ongoing. The occasional cold winter doesn’t negate the overall trend of polar ice melting. Only Hollywood is predicting that we’ll all be underwater by 2040. Volcanic CO2 emissions are 1/60 that of human activities: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits...

est31 3y ago

The global extinction event is here, yes, but it can always be worse. The slower climate change is, the more easily we can adapt to it. Maybe we will reach tipping points later like the release of frozen methane. This gives valuable time to relocate populations and deploy countermeasures.

vkou 3y ago
> This gives valuable time to relocate populations and deploy countermeasures. Relocate populations? We won't even handle a few hundred thousand refugees of wars we've started, and you're talking about global migration.
- kyriakos 3y ago
  Unpopular, sad and inconvenient truth is that without shrinking human population we won't survive the climate apocalypse. So migration may not be the solution.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    So, casually arguing for genocide at unprecedented scale? All for the greater good of mankind?
    - kyriakos 3y ago
      What I'm saying is that we already triggered the genocide by human activities of the past 100+ years - we reached the point of no return so a lot of people will die due to the effects of climate change.

lgkk 3y ago

Honestly and I’m sure I’ll get some flack for this. I’m not so sure we need to be that alarmed. First of all, I’m all about renewable energy I don’t like burning fossil fuels. I think planes and gas cars and cargo ships are awful emitters of nasty gases. However, we can’t even accurately model the global weather system. We keep changing the scientific definitions every decade. Off topic but first the universe was 13b years now it’s way more. Or this kind of fat is bad but flip flop some time later that it is good. The ozone hole was huge, then it turns out it’s patched. Sometimes arctic ice is melting so fast we will all be underwater in 2040. Other times it is somehow way more than expected. I’m in California and the wildfires probably release a shit ton of bad juju into the air. Some volcano erupts and just spews black smoke into the air. Our planet has literally been killed by asteroids. And life bounced back. There were no humans then sure, but what I’m trying to say is that nothing is really that certain. I’m a software engineer I literally hack systems to make them work together. We have insane test coverage and shit still goes wack sometimes. It gets patched and we move on, and our tech is definitely far better and powerful than a month, a year, or a decade ago. Humans will figure it out. We aren’t going to die out. We shouldn’t kill progress because of doomerism fueled by paranoia.

spockz 3y ago
Again, the argument is never that we won’t be able to survive as a species. The argument is that the climate change will greatly disrupt the current status quo, changing large parts of coastal parts into sea, displacing many people. Then current food production will get disrupted causing further displacement. The species will most likely survive. Whether is on the same advanced level and whether we will be able to make progress still, that is another matter altogether.
jl6 3y ago
You are correct that doomerism is bad and wrong but your examples of scientific uncertainty are iffy. The 13b year estimate for the age of the universe is about right. A better estimate is 13.8b, which is not way more. The ozone hole didn’t “turn out” to be patched. We identified a problem, took specific actions to address it (migrate off CFCs), and that repair project is still ongoing. The occasional cold winter doesn’t negate the overall trend of polar ice melting. Only Hollywood is predicting that we’ll all be underwater by 2040. Volcanic CO2 emissions are 1/60 that of human activities: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits...