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This is ridiculous. Critical safety functions should not be dependent on a unreliable medium that can be easily disrupted. There must always be a fallback mecha

by 127361 3y ago

This is ridiculous. Critical safety functions should not be dependent on a unreliable medium that can be easily disrupted. There must always be a fallback mechanism.

Freak_NL 3y ago
People who use such a feature would surely have a backup strategy in case their phone dies, the battery dies, is stolen, is lost, or is unavailable for any number of reasons (fucked up OTA update? hacked? some dumb app crashing their device?), right? If they don't and just rely on that single consumer-grade device working all the time, I feel sorry for them. This glucose monitor excuse gets trotted out for these topics every time, but someone wielding a Flipper is probably the least of your concerns if device and connectivity reliability is so critical.
- closewith 3y ago
  > People who use such a feature would surely have a backup strategy in case their phone dies, the battery dies, is stolen, is lost, or is unavailable for any number of reasons (fucked up OTA update? hacked? People become inured to extreme risks. It's common to come across people with history of anaphylaxis who only carry one or zero epipens, despite the extreme risk of death.
  - 127361 3y ago
    And it is their negligence there. It should not be the fault of the prankster who used the Flipper Zero to temporarily crash consumer information devices (people's iPhones). Some schools ban phones completely. And the school is not responsible if the children can't call 911 if there's some emergency for example. And some buildings are constructed of materials which will obstruct the mobile signal as well. Nobody is held responsible for that when they can't call 911. And I believe it's perfectly legal for me to use radio-blocking paint on the walls of my own house, that might obstruct the signals for the neighbours as well, if I'm hypothetically in a weak signal area. In that case the mobile operator has no right to force their signals through my home, it's within my right to block it as long as I don't use any form of illegal jamming.
    - closewith 3y ago
      Nah, if you effect other people's property, you are morally responsible for the foreseeable outcomes. You don't get to absolve yourself of responsibility because you've decided that their preparedness didn't meet your expectations.
      - 127361 3y ago
        Some examples, e.g. court judgements?
        ziml77 3y ago
        You need laws to stop you from being a shitbag, messing with other peoples' stuff? The person you're replying to was also careful to say you are morally responsible. That has nothing to do with legal issues.
        127361 3y ago
        Sorry. Yes I agree that you can be morally culpable for it, but not legally. I didn't notice the distinction there.
        ziml77 3y ago
        I should also apologize. I was over-aggressive in my response. Just ticks me off to see a comment that seems like it's defending messing with property of others (which you actually didn't imply, but instead I inferred it).

by 127361 3y ago

This is ridiculous. Critical safety functions should not be dependent on a unreliable medium that can be easily disrupted. There must always be a fallback mechanism.

Freak_NL 3y ago

People who use such a feature would surely have a backup strategy in case their phone dies, the battery dies, is stolen, is lost, or is unavailable for any number of reasons (fucked up OTA update? hacked? some dumb app crashing their device?), right? If they don't and just rely on that single consumer-grade device working all the time, I feel sorry for them. This glucose monitor excuse gets trotted out for these topics every time, but someone wielding a Flipper is probably the least of your concerns if device and connectivity reliability is so critical.

closewith 3y ago
> People who use such a feature would surely have a backup strategy in case their phone dies, the battery dies, is stolen, is lost, or is unavailable for any number of reasons (fucked up OTA update? hacked? People become inured to extreme risks. It's common to come across people with history of anaphylaxis who only carry one or zero epipens, despite the extreme risk of death.
- 127361 3y ago
  And it is their negligence there. It should not be the fault of the prankster who used the Flipper Zero to temporarily crash consumer information devices (people's iPhones). Some schools ban phones completely. And the school is not responsible if the children can't call 911 if there's some emergency for example. And some buildings are constructed of materials which will obstruct the mobile signal as well. Nobody is held responsible for that when they can't call 911. And I believe it's perfectly legal for me to use radio-blocking paint on the walls of my own house, that might obstruct the signals for the neighbours as well, if I'm hypothetically in a weak signal area. In that case the mobile operator has no right to force their signals through my home, it's within my right to block it as long as I don't use any form of illegal jamming.
  - closewith 3y ago
    Nah, if you effect other people's property, you are morally responsible for the foreseeable outcomes. You don't get to absolve yourself of responsibility because you've decided that their preparedness didn't meet your expectations.
    - 127361 3y ago
      Some examples, e.g. court judgements?
      - ziml77 3y ago
        You need laws to stop you from being a shitbag, messing with other peoples' stuff? The person you're replying to was also careful to say you are morally responsible. That has nothing to do with legal issues.
        127361 3y ago
        Sorry. Yes I agree that you can be morally culpable for it, but not legally. I didn't notice the distinction there.
        ziml77 3y ago
        I should also apologize. I was over-aggressive in my response. Just ticks me off to see a comment that seems like it's defending messing with property of others (which you actually didn't imply, but instead I inferred it).