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Easy to say that behind a computer screen, but we're in this mess because from a game theory perspective there is no gain to be had and a huge risk to your care

Easy to say that behind a computer screen, but we're in this mess because from a game theory perspective there is no gain to be had and a huge risk to your career and/or finances by publicly naming someone. This also happened several years ago, when there was even less honesty and discussion around this topic.

globalnode 3y ago
sounds to me like the author was naive and idealistic, nothing wrong with that, it hurts everyone when people do the wrong thing by others. maybe what they are doing by publishing the story is trying to warn others not to just take people at face value and be aware of your own biases. its a good lesson. no further naming or shaming required.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
  > sounds to me like the author was naive and idealistic, nothing wrong with that Naive and idealistic like the Wells Fago CEO who had no idea that his employees were actually committing fraud trying to meet his impossible demands. The author was running a paper mill with underpaid postdocs students and presenting their work as her own with very minimal supervision.
  - sgt101 3y ago
    > The author was running a paper mill with underpaid postdocs students and presenting their work as her own with very minimal supervision. The postdocs aren't students. How do you know that they were underpaid? How do you know that she was presenting there work as hers - science is collaborative in the extreme now. It is very rare for a paper to be produced by one author. At one time I wrote a few such papers and I was told that it was actually a black mark against me for a post because I was someone who couldn't collaborate!
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
we have a word for that: cowardice.
- BeFlatXIII 3y ago
  Cowardice is the smart move. Accepting whatever consequences the world wishes to assign is for chumps.
  - voakbasda 3y ago
    You’d think this crowd would have gotten the lesson from Wargames: sometimes, the winning move is not to play. In many real world scenarios, this is by far the optimal solution for the average individual.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    ^ this is also cowardice. there are always rationalizations for your behavior, but it may still be cowardice.
    - BeFlatXIII 3y ago
      Perhaps the mistake is characterizing cowardice as a bad thing.
      - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
        I don't know about "bad", but more as the opposite of cowardice as exemplary. When the easy thing is cowardice (aka "strategy") why wouldn't you call out not doing the easy thing as exemplary?

globalnode 3y ago

sounds to me like the author was naive and idealistic, nothing wrong with that, it hurts everyone when people do the wrong thing by others. maybe what they are doing by publishing the story is trying to warn others not to just take people at face value and be aware of your own biases. its a good lesson. no further naming or shaming required.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
> sounds to me like the author was naive and idealistic, nothing wrong with that Naive and idealistic like the Wells Fago CEO who had no idea that his employees were actually committing fraud trying to meet his impossible demands. The author was running a paper mill with underpaid postdocs students and presenting their work as her own with very minimal supervision.
- sgt101 3y ago
  > The author was running a paper mill with underpaid postdocs students and presenting their work as her own with very minimal supervision. The postdocs aren't students. How do you know that they were underpaid? How do you know that she was presenting there work as hers - science is collaborative in the extreme now. It is very rare for a paper to be produced by one author. At one time I wrote a few such papers and I was told that it was actually a black mark against me for a post because I was someone who couldn't collaborate!

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago

we have a word for that: cowardice.

BeFlatXIII 3y ago
Cowardice is the smart move. Accepting whatever consequences the world wishes to assign is for chumps.
- voakbasda 3y ago
  You’d think this crowd would have gotten the lesson from Wargames: sometimes, the winning move is not to play. In many real world scenarios, this is by far the optimal solution for the average individual.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  ^ this is also cowardice. there are always rationalizations for your behavior, but it may still be cowardice.
  - BeFlatXIII 3y ago
    Perhaps the mistake is characterizing cowardice as a bad thing.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      I don't know about "bad", but more as the opposite of cowardice as exemplary. When the easy thing is cowardice (aka "strategy") why wouldn't you call out not doing the easy thing as exemplary?