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> busloads of psychologists Aren't they bound to the Hippocratic oath?

by lagrange77 3y ago

zabzonk 3y ago
psychologists may well not be medics, so no. psychiatrists very often are medics.
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
  Even if they were the oath doesn’t really mean anything beyond personal beliefs
0xEF 3y ago
No. The APA has an ethics code, but that's about it. Even the Hippocratic Oath is not as legally binding as we might want it to be.
- krapp 3y ago
  I should hope a vague ritual invocation of pagan gods wouldn't be legally binding.
- throwup238 3y ago
  > Even the Hippocratic Oath is not as legally binding as we might want it to be. That's largely because "do no harm" is a really fuzzy concept in a field where treatments like chemotherapy that put patients through absolute hell without any guarantee of remission or even comfort. Other licensed professionals like professional engineers and lawyers have ethical codes with quite a bit more legal heft.
  - sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
    I got curios and looked it up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer Does not seem to be legally binding, so it’s just nice sounding mumbo jumbo as far as I am concerned. They should make SWEs take it regardless… Edit: quick search gave the same results for lawyers
    - filoleg 3y ago
      > quick search gave the same results for lawyers I mean, it might not be legally binding, but violating it will get you disbarred afaik. And if you are disbarred, you cannot legally practice law, so it is kinda legally binding, just not directly.
    - throwup238 3y ago
      It is legally binding, it's just implemented via professional association rather than a regulatory framework. The US government even sues the NSPE over antitrust violations because of that code of ethics. See National Society of Professional Engineers v. United States 435 US 679 [1] [1] https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/435/679/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/435/679/
  - opello 3y ago
    Not that the Hippocratic Oath is required everywhere or even consistently used. > Contrary to popular belief, the Hippocratic Oath is not required by most modern medical schools, although some have adopted modern versions[1] that suit many in the profession in the 21st century. https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/greek_oath.html https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/greek_oath.html [1] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html
- User23 3y ago
  It’s about as legally meaningful as wedding vows in our legal system.
Konnstann 3y ago
Psychologists aren't doctors, just people with phds in psychology. Clinical psychologists might have some version of the oath though.
anonfromsomewhe 3y ago
I'm sure even if they do, with help of SE teams they will find tricks to make enough money.

> busloads of psychologists Aren't they bound to the Hippocratic oath?

zabzonk 3y ago

psychologists may well not be medics, so no. psychiatrists very often are medics.

sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
Even if they were the oath doesn’t really mean anything beyond personal beliefs

0xEF 3y ago

No. The APA has an ethics code, but that's about it. Even the Hippocratic Oath is not as legally binding as we might want it to be.

krapp 3y ago
I should hope a vague ritual invocation of pagan gods wouldn't be legally binding.
throwup238 3y ago
> Even the Hippocratic Oath is not as legally binding as we might want it to be. That's largely because "do no harm" is a really fuzzy concept in a field where treatments like chemotherapy that put patients through absolute hell without any guarantee of remission or even comfort. Other licensed professionals like professional engineers and lawyers have ethical codes with quite a bit more legal heft.
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
  I got curios and looked it up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Engineer Does not seem to be legally binding, so it’s just nice sounding mumbo jumbo as far as I am concerned. They should make SWEs take it regardless… Edit: quick search gave the same results for lawyers
  - filoleg 3y ago
    > quick search gave the same results for lawyers I mean, it might not be legally binding, but violating it will get you disbarred afaik. And if you are disbarred, you cannot legally practice law, so it is kinda legally binding, just not directly.
  - throwup238 3y ago
    It is legally binding, it's just implemented via professional association rather than a regulatory framework. The US government even sues the NSPE over antitrust violations because of that code of ethics. See National Society of Professional Engineers v. United States 435 US 679 [1] [1] https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/435/679/ https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/435/679/
- opello 3y ago
  Not that the Hippocratic Oath is required everywhere or even consistently used. > Contrary to popular belief, the Hippocratic Oath is not required by most modern medical schools, although some have adopted modern versions[1] that suit many in the profession in the 21st century. https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/greek_oath.html https://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/greek_oath.html [1] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/doctors/oath_modern.html
User23 3y ago
It’s about as legally meaningful as wedding vows in our legal system.

Konnstann 3y ago

Psychologists aren't doctors, just people with phds in psychology. Clinical psychologists might have some version of the oath though.

anonfromsomewhe 3y ago

I'm sure even if they do, with help of SE teams they will find tricks to make enough money.