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Men are superficially judged by women as objects of success and capability. That's why men are so afraid to show weakness or vulnerability. It's sexual selectio

Men are superficially judged by women as objects of success and capability. That's why men are so afraid to show weakness or vulnerability. It's sexual selection as women are selecting men based off of this and masculinity. The judgement is so pervasive across cultures and time that the behavior is not learned but inborn. Biological. The same is said for women. Success in choosing a mate is biased towards youth as youthful mates are more successful at reproduction. Additionally feminine traits are indicators of good maternal instincts which further increases the success of the offspring. So men make their choice off of this and this choice has influenced female behavior. Thus women have evolved behaviors to emphasize traits related to showing off their physical and youthful beauty. It's also largely biological. This isn't a blame game thing. It's just the way things are. You don't blame men for beauty culture any more than you blame women for men suppressing their emotions and often taking on the full burden and stress of raising a family unit. You have a lot of daughters so you feel empathy for them. But if you had sons you'll realize reality is just as harsh on them from different perspectives. It's just the way it is.

hef19898 3y ago
Why do threads like this always turn into some borderline incel shitshow? Women do have goals in life other than attracting successful, powerful, rich and good looking alph males, you know?
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  In 47 years I’ve met precisely zero who are seeking men for these attributes. Obviously no one is looking for someone unemployed to support in their alcoholism or whatever, but the women I’ve known in my life pursue companionship primarily, although sadly often validation that they’re worthwhile. I’m not saying these women don’t exist, I’m sure they do. Likewise I’ve not really met men that collect trophy women either, but I probably run in specific circles of pretty well educated folks less motivated by money and status.
  - corethree 3y ago
    Anecdotal data is often wrong in this regard. Especially because women are not self aware and they, like men, lie to themselves and to others. In the circles you run in, most likely partners come together as couples because of compromise. It's the best possible stable matching pairing they can get. That's the majority of relationships. It's impossible for people get their ideal. Fortunately we have raw data to validate my points and invalidate your anecdotal data. Every point I made comes from raw correlation. Younger women get more attention from men, richer, more powerful and more masculine men get more attention from women. Look it up. The overwhelming majority of psychological studies on human mating behavior illustrates this exact pattern that is pervasive in all cultures. You run in circles less motivated by money and status but I can tell you. A good number of those people aren't motivated by that because they can't get that status. People focus on what they achieve, if they can't get status through wealth, a lot of men tend to attempt to achieve mastery somewhere else. Society is driven by status and power. A lot of a women's success/power is unfortunately driven by her looks. She can choose to pursue alternative paths to success but there's no denying that looks is an avenue women have easier access to then men, and it's through looks and the ability to manipulate men that women achieve most of their power. When you look at the world. The stereotypical tropes you see in the media, movies and stories it's obvious what the generality is. Yet you choose to view the world through the lens of your "circle" and you admittedly say that your circle could be biased. So what's with all the culture surrounding the obvious stereotype? Just made up fantasies out of thin air? Come on let's be real here. Additionally I can't imagine a man who doesn't understand why a unemployed 25 year old woman is much more attractive then a rich doctor 38 year old woman. I'm a woman and it took me a bit to understand this concept because we think exactly oppositely to men, and I've rarely met other women who totally get it. But men... All men should get it.
- zingababba 3y ago
  Because hn is a bunch of intellectually overdeveloped 'men without chests.'
- corethree 3y ago
  If you don't have the balls to say this vile shit to someones face in real life then you shouldn't say it on HN. The anonymity HN offers isn't a permission slip to be immature. When you highly disagree with someone, learn to objectively disagree rather then attack them. Your the shit show here.

hef19898 3y ago

Why do threads like this always turn into some borderline incel shitshow? Women do have goals in life other than attracting successful, powerful, rich and good looking alph males, you know?

fnordpiglet 3y ago
In 47 years I’ve met precisely zero who are seeking men for these attributes. Obviously no one is looking for someone unemployed to support in their alcoholism or whatever, but the women I’ve known in my life pursue companionship primarily, although sadly often validation that they’re worthwhile. I’m not saying these women don’t exist, I’m sure they do. Likewise I’ve not really met men that collect trophy women either, but I probably run in specific circles of pretty well educated folks less motivated by money and status.
- corethree 3y ago
  Anecdotal data is often wrong in this regard. Especially because women are not self aware and they, like men, lie to themselves and to others. In the circles you run in, most likely partners come together as couples because of compromise. It's the best possible stable matching pairing they can get. That's the majority of relationships. It's impossible for people get their ideal. Fortunately we have raw data to validate my points and invalidate your anecdotal data. Every point I made comes from raw correlation. Younger women get more attention from men, richer, more powerful and more masculine men get more attention from women. Look it up. The overwhelming majority of psychological studies on human mating behavior illustrates this exact pattern that is pervasive in all cultures. You run in circles less motivated by money and status but I can tell you. A good number of those people aren't motivated by that because they can't get that status. People focus on what they achieve, if they can't get status through wealth, a lot of men tend to attempt to achieve mastery somewhere else. Society is driven by status and power. A lot of a women's success/power is unfortunately driven by her looks. She can choose to pursue alternative paths to success but there's no denying that looks is an avenue women have easier access to then men, and it's through looks and the ability to manipulate men that women achieve most of their power. When you look at the world. The stereotypical tropes you see in the media, movies and stories it's obvious what the generality is. Yet you choose to view the world through the lens of your "circle" and you admittedly say that your circle could be biased. So what's with all the culture surrounding the obvious stereotype? Just made up fantasies out of thin air? Come on let's be real here. Additionally I can't imagine a man who doesn't understand why a unemployed 25 year old woman is much more attractive then a rich doctor 38 year old woman. I'm a woman and it took me a bit to understand this concept because we think exactly oppositely to men, and I've rarely met other women who totally get it. But men... All men should get it.
zingababba 3y ago
Because hn is a bunch of intellectually overdeveloped 'men without chests.'
corethree 3y ago
If you don't have the balls to say this vile shit to someones face in real life then you shouldn't say it on HN. The anonymity HN offers isn't a permission slip to be immature. When you highly disagree with someone, learn to objectively disagree rather then attack them. Your the shit show here.