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For Zigbee, you need a hub for apps to work because the Zigbee protocol is its own thing. If you are lucky, it is Home Assistant and can use that on local netwo
by ianburrell 3y ago
For Zigbee, you need a hub for apps to work because the Zigbee protocol is its own thing. If you are lucky, it is Home Assistant and can use that on local network. If you aren't using HA, then it is custom hub that talks over the Internet to just that app.
Big advantage of Matter/Thread is that don't need a hub with its software. It is IP-based protocol. On Wifi or Bluetooth, your phone talks directly to the devices. On Thread, you need a gateway to translate from Wifi to Thread. Your phone only needs to know about Matter.
I don't think Matter devices talk over the Internet, I think they use non-routable IPv6 addresses. You can use HA to control over Internet but that uses the HA app. I don't know what other apps do, probably the same custom thing as with Zigbee.
Matter works similarly to HomeKit, with direct access to devices, but Matter adds the low-power Thread. It is also standardized so that could have generic Matter app instead of every device being its own app. And can add support to HA instead of custom Wifi and Bluetooth devices.
- Tijdreiziger 3y agoYou only need a hub if you want to control your devices from your LAN. You don’t need one if you only use Zigbee steering devices.
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- Volundr 3y agoThat makes a lot more sense if it's supposed to talk directly to my phone. Would I still need a router if I already have HomeAssistant with a thread usb module? I don't really care about bypassing HA, I'm fine with keeping the hub.
- ianburrell 3y agoIf using Thread from HA server, then it would work the similar to Zigbee (and they use the same radio). I think HA can do Matter over Wifi and Bluetooth. Some Google Home devices can be Thread hub, and Google Home can do Matter directly. iOS 16 has Matter support but not sure what that means. That may be the advantage that don't need to download app for each device but will be builtin to OS.