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I literary couldn’t get any eve matter devices to work at all on my network. Turns out matter requires some ipv6 features my router doesn’t support and isn’t ea

I literary couldn’t get any eve matter devices to work at all on my network. Turns out matter requires some ipv6 features my router doesn’t support and isn’t easily found out what routers do support it. I’m a firm believer in matter and threads future, but ipv6s home network mess is going to hamper it for years imho.

alphabettsy 3y ago
IPv6 Unicast and Multicast. Seems like any consumer router made in the last decade should work as long as IPv6 is enabled. Consumer routers vary widely in software quality though.
- upon_drumhead 3y ago
  No, it also needs to support: ICMPv6 (type 133) Router Solicitation (RS) ICMPv6 (type 134) Routing Advertisement (RA) Which my xfinity provided router does not. I spent weeks with support emails between xfinity and eve trying to get it sorted out before eve declared it an unsupported router and refunded me the purchase.
  - rubatuga 3y ago
    RA and RS packets form the basis of IPv6, so objectively the router from Xfinity does not support IPv6.
  - alphabettsy 3y ago
    Fair enough. I haven’t used an ISP provided router in a decade. I can’t justify paying more for what’s usually pretty crap.
    - aksss 3y ago
      Right but isn’t this kind of illustrating the problem with the state of home automation in general? I mean, if you care enough to know about the features of your router, your also likely the kind of person who can pay attention to and work out all the kinks in home automation, and it’s fun and really cool when you get it working. But for 90% of the population home automation is as elusive and as prohibitive as quality home espresso - expensive, delicate, and requires all the attention of a niche hobby. Not that most people aren't smart enough to figure it out, but for most people the juice isn’t with the squeeze. All the COTS hardware for easy implementation is a closed cul-de-sac and rather mediocre, and is condemned to be a neat gimmick that quickly loses its luster.
      - alphabettsy 3y ago
        It’s certainly an issue with home automation, but I’d argue with home networking as well. Eero and Nest routers are popular for a reason, they hide the complexity and “just work”.
      - fragmede 3y ago
        For the population that don't care about privacy, home automation is here. They go to Home Depot, buy a thing, go home, install the cloud connected app, connect it to Alexa/Siri/Google, and that's it. It's when you get additional requirements that it becomes much harder to set up.
        aksss 3y ago
        I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing - what you get at Home Depot is mostly a gimmick or a convenient point solution like light bulbs. You’re right that privacy is compromised on those solutions, but I also don’t think it’s bringing the full and integrated experience of home automation to the consumer because the full solution is still too complicated, because of the need for deep hobby-level interest in its successful configuration and maintenance, right?
        fragmede 3y ago
        What are the higher end/full solution type features/integrations you're thinking of?
        aksss 3y ago
        Late in responding to this but take for example using Home Assistant to integrate all the things - environmentals, presence, energy monitoring, switching, access, audio, video, etc. I don’t even think my house is all that sophisticated compared to some, but there’s no way an off the shelf plug-n-play solution delivers this today. I know way more about zigbee, Insteon, Zwave, tasmota, protocol border routers, gateways, dual band repeaters, bad and good vendors, leading vs trailing edge dimming and component value than I want to, and that’s just to get things talking effectively and reliably. Then there’s the automation build out - rules, data storage, state, events, triggers, oh my! And that’s atop an existing knowledge for managing vlans, WiFi, and the rest of the network stack. There’s also an assumption of comfort with residential wiring, of course. It requires hobby-level commitment from someone in house who becomes the SME. I enjoy it to an extent, though I wish it was easier, and it’s just not when I step back and take stock of all the obscure knowledge it takes. It’s kind of hilarious.
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alphabettsy 3y ago

IPv6 Unicast and Multicast. Seems like any consumer router made in the last decade should work as long as IPv6 is enabled. Consumer routers vary widely in software quality though.

upon_drumhead 3y ago
No, it also needs to support: ICMPv6 (type 133) Router Solicitation (RS) ICMPv6 (type 134) Routing Advertisement (RA) Which my xfinity provided router does not. I spent weeks with support emails between xfinity and eve trying to get it sorted out before eve declared it an unsupported router and refunded me the purchase.
- rubatuga 3y ago
  RA and RS packets form the basis of IPv6, so objectively the router from Xfinity does not support IPv6.
- alphabettsy 3y ago
  Fair enough. I haven’t used an ISP provided router in a decade. I can’t justify paying more for what’s usually pretty crap.
  - aksss 3y ago
    Right but isn’t this kind of illustrating the problem with the state of home automation in general? I mean, if you care enough to know about the features of your router, your also likely the kind of person who can pay attention to and work out all the kinks in home automation, and it’s fun and really cool when you get it working. But for 90% of the population home automation is as elusive and as prohibitive as quality home espresso - expensive, delicate, and requires all the attention of a niche hobby. Not that most people aren't smart enough to figure it out, but for most people the juice isn’t with the squeeze. All the COTS hardware for easy implementation is a closed cul-de-sac and rather mediocre, and is condemned to be a neat gimmick that quickly loses its luster.
    - alphabettsy 3y ago
      It’s certainly an issue with home automation, but I’d argue with home networking as well. Eero and Nest routers are popular for a reason, they hide the complexity and “just work”.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      For the population that don't care about privacy, home automation is here. They go to Home Depot, buy a thing, go home, install the cloud connected app, connect it to Alexa/Siri/Google, and that's it. It's when you get additional requirements that it becomes much harder to set up.
      - aksss 3y ago
        I don’t think we’re talking about the same thing - what you get at Home Depot is mostly a gimmick or a convenient point solution like light bulbs. You’re right that privacy is compromised on those solutions, but I also don’t think it’s bringing the full and integrated experience of home automation to the consumer because the full solution is still too complicated, because of the need for deep hobby-level interest in its successful configuration and maintenance, right?
        fragmede 3y ago
        What are the higher end/full solution type features/integrations you're thinking of?
        aksss 3y ago
        Late in responding to this but take for example using Home Assistant to integrate all the things - environmentals, presence, energy monitoring, switching, access, audio, video, etc. I don’t even think my house is all that sophisticated compared to some, but there’s no way an off the shelf plug-n-play solution delivers this today. I know way more about zigbee, Insteon, Zwave, tasmota, protocol border routers, gateways, dual band repeaters, bad and good vendors, leading vs trailing edge dimming and component value than I want to, and that’s just to get things talking effectively and reliably. Then there’s the automation build out - rules, data storage, state, events, triggers, oh my! And that’s atop an existing knowledge for managing vlans, WiFi, and the rest of the network stack. There’s also an assumption of comfort with residential wiring, of course. It requires hobby-level commitment from someone in house who becomes the SME. I enjoy it to an extent, though I wish it was easier, and it’s just not when I step back and take stock of all the obscure knowledge it takes. It’s kind of hilarious.
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