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Despite you preferring paying websites directly (besides the fact that Brave is/was some crypto BS and took money even for recipients that didn't opt-in that di

by judge2020 3y ago

Despite you preferring paying websites directly (besides the fact that Brave is/was some crypto BS and took money even for recipients that didn't opt-in that didn't opt in[0]), most people mad at YouTube for blocking ads are people who won't pony up the money to pay for YouTube Premium. I get the sentiment, but it's still piracy if you don't pay for a service in the ways they provide. 0: https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/a8d34y/youtuber_tom_scott_claims_that_brave_is_falsely/ https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/a8d34y/youtu... they try to defend the opt-out model, lol

baq 3y ago
Why am I being served content if I block ads?
shepherdjerred 3y ago
I was paying for YouTube Premium, but then I realized I still saw all of the sponsorship segments within videos.
BLKNSLVR 3y ago
Eeesh, the whole world pirated YouTube for all those years before Premium became a thing.
MikePlacid 3y ago
> but it's still piracy if you don't pay for a service in the ways they provide. Nope, it’s called “negotiation”. Here’s the money I want to pay for your service. You don’t want it? Fine, I’ll leave it here in case you change your mind. (Youtube can die in my book, I’ll just shrug.)
- judge2020 3y ago
  Negotiation despite them not accepting that negotiation. In contracts, if you try to "negotiate" and the counterparty rejects your offer, you can't just drop a bag full of cash at their door then expect to reap the benefits of an unsigned unexecuted contract to which they didn't agree to. All I'm saying is that it is "piracy" by definition, even if it's morally acceptable and basically 0 risk to partake in (AFAIK the only criminal offenders of Piracy have been booked for distribution, at least in the US).
anonymousab 3y ago
They still load you up with many more adtech trackers on YouTube premium than you get when using adblock. But yeah, if you use youtube a lot, at least premium does exist as a more morally righteous choice if you don't really care about the tracking side of things and are mostly just annoyed at ads themselves. Which I'd imagine is most people.
- judge2020 3y ago
  > They still load you up with many more adtech trackers on YouTube premium than you get when using adblock. Uh, no. With UBO and YT Premium, the only API calls that are blocked are: www.youtube.com/generate_204 - seems to be to detect if client is online (since YT has a desktop offline mode) www.youtube.com/api/stats/qoe (https://stackoverflow.com/a/68823010 https://stackoverflow.com/a/68823010) www.youtube.com/ptracking - general playback tracking It's all first-party, no other ad trackers are loaded. All of YouTube's tracking is done via your "watch history" which is via the api www.youtube.com/api/stats/watchtime. Most blockers don't block this since, as a user, you kind of expect the most useful features of YouTube to work - tracking how far into the video you've gotten (so you can return later at the same moment), and having your watch history be used to curate your recommended feed to give you more videos.

baq 3y ago

Why am I being served content if I block ads?

shepherdjerred 3y ago

I was paying for YouTube Premium, but then I realized I still saw all of the sponsorship segments within videos.

BLKNSLVR 3y ago

Eeesh, the whole world pirated YouTube for all those years before Premium became a thing.

MikePlacid 3y ago

> but it's still piracy if you don't pay for a service in the ways they provide. Nope, it’s called “negotiation”. Here’s the money I want to pay for your service. You don’t want it? Fine, I’ll leave it here in case you change your mind. (Youtube can die in my book, I’ll just shrug.)

judge2020 3y ago
Negotiation despite them not accepting that negotiation. In contracts, if you try to "negotiate" and the counterparty rejects your offer, you can't just drop a bag full of cash at their door then expect to reap the benefits of an unsigned unexecuted contract to which they didn't agree to. All I'm saying is that it is "piracy" by definition, even if it's morally acceptable and basically 0 risk to partake in (AFAIK the only criminal offenders of Piracy have been booked for distribution, at least in the US).

anonymousab 3y ago

They still load you up with many more adtech trackers on YouTube premium than you get when using adblock. But yeah, if you use youtube a lot, at least premium does exist as a more morally righteous choice if you don't really care about the tracking side of things and are mostly just annoyed at ads themselves. Which I'd imagine is most people.

judge2020 3y ago
> They still load you up with many more adtech trackers on YouTube premium than you get when using adblock. Uh, no. With UBO and YT Premium, the only API calls that are blocked are: www.youtube.com/generate_204 - seems to be to detect if client is online (since YT has a desktop offline mode) www.youtube.com/api/stats/qoe (https://stackoverflow.com/a/68823010 https://stackoverflow.com/a/68823010) www.youtube.com/ptracking - general playback tracking It's all first-party, no other ad trackers are loaded. All of YouTube's tracking is done via your "watch history" which is via the api www.youtube.com/api/stats/watchtime. Most blockers don't block this since, as a user, you kind of expect the most useful features of YouTube to work - tracking how far into the video you've gotten (so you can return later at the same moment), and having your watch history be used to curate your recommended feed to give you more videos.