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Technical curiosity: how site owners are able to detect blockers and why blockers are not able to bypass detection? As for ads I prefer Brave Browser model, wh

Technical curiosity: how site owners are able to detect blockers and why blockers are not able to bypass detection? As for ads I prefer Brave Browser model, where I pay websites directly, bypassing advertisers.

Sephr 3y ago
The Brave model does not allow you to directly pay websites. You directly pay Brave, who then distributes funds to some participating websites. Additionally, they take a 30% cut of the value of their "basic attention token" shitcoin for themselves.
- insanitybit 3y ago
  > You directly pay Brave, who then distributes funds to some participating websites. This isn't worse than the way ads work anyway, so that seems fine. > Additionally, they take a 30% cut of the value I also don't see the problem here. They develop the browser, the infra, etc. What is the problem? What is it that you people want?
  - Sephr 3y ago
    > What is the problem? It's open source software implementing anti-features. Why should I willingly share the value of my attention with my browser vendor?
    - insanitybit 3y ago
      Because they're providing the software, infrastructure, and services that allow you to display that content...
      - Sephr 3y ago
        The default ratio clearly implies a profit-seeking share in my opinion.
judge2020 3y ago
Despite you preferring paying websites directly (besides the fact that Brave is/was some crypto BS and took money even for recipients that didn't opt-in that didn't opt in[0]), most people mad at YouTube for blocking ads are people who won't pony up the money to pay for YouTube Premium. I get the sentiment, but it's still piracy if you don't pay for a service in the ways they provide. 0: https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/a8d34y/youtuber_tom_scott_claims_that_brave_is_falsely/ https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/a8d34y/youtu... they try to defend the opt-out model, lol
- baq 3y ago
  Why am I being served content if I block ads?
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  I was paying for YouTube Premium, but then I realized I still saw all of the sponsorship segments within videos.
- BLKNSLVR 3y ago
  Eeesh, the whole world pirated YouTube for all those years before Premium became a thing.
- MikePlacid 3y ago
  > but it's still piracy if you don't pay for a service in the ways they provide. Nope, it’s called “negotiation”. Here’s the money I want to pay for your service. You don’t want it? Fine, I’ll leave it here in case you change your mind. (Youtube can die in my book, I’ll just shrug.)
  - judge2020 3y ago
    Negotiation despite them not accepting that negotiation. In contracts, if you try to "negotiate" and the counterparty rejects your offer, you can't just drop a bag full of cash at their door then expect to reap the benefits of an unsigned unexecuted contract to which they didn't agree to. All I'm saying is that it is "piracy" by definition, even if it's morally acceptable and basically 0 risk to partake in (AFAIK the only criminal offenders of Piracy have been booked for distribution, at least in the US).
bl4kers 3y ago
They run JS to see if content is present and visible after page load. Also I guarantee 99% of websites don't want or care about your cryptocurrency
healsdata 3y ago
> Technical curiosity: how site owners are able to detect blockers Let's take a simple rule from EasyList: > /snowplow.js This blocks the loading of any URL ending in snowplow.js. To see if a visitor to my website is using an ad blocker with EasyList, I can set a global variable `window.usingAdBlocker = true;` in my main content and then later change it in a scriptcalled snowplow.js that I include (`window.usingAdBlocker = false;`). So with a fresh Chrome install, the page loads and then the script sets the variable to false. However, with an ad blocker, the script never loads and the variable remains true. > why blockers are not able to bypass detection? Adblockers have developed rules to block this detection mechanism. It is a cat and mouse game. For example, there's a library called 'jQuery Adblock'. So the AakList (Anti-Adblock Killer) has a rule to block scripts called `/jquery.adblock.js` It is a cat and mouse game.

Sephr 3y ago

The Brave model does not allow you to directly pay websites. You directly pay Brave, who then distributes funds to some participating websites. Additionally, they take a 30% cut of the value of their "basic attention token" shitcoin for themselves.

insanitybit 3y ago
> You directly pay Brave, who then distributes funds to some participating websites. This isn't worse than the way ads work anyway, so that seems fine. > Additionally, they take a 30% cut of the value I also don't see the problem here. They develop the browser, the infra, etc. What is the problem? What is it that you people want?
- Sephr 3y ago
  > What is the problem? It's open source software implementing anti-features. Why should I willingly share the value of my attention with my browser vendor?
  - insanitybit 3y ago
    Because they're providing the software, infrastructure, and services that allow you to display that content...
    - Sephr 3y ago
      The default ratio clearly implies a profit-seeking share in my opinion.

judge2020 3y ago

Despite you preferring paying websites directly (besides the fact that Brave is/was some crypto BS and took money even for recipients that didn't opt-in that didn't opt in[0]), most people mad at YouTube for blocking ads are people who won't pony up the money to pay for YouTube Premium. I get the sentiment, but it's still piracy if you don't pay for a service in the ways they provide. 0: https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/a8d34y/youtuber_tom_scott_claims_that_brave_is_falsely/ https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/a8d34y/youtu... they try to defend the opt-out model, lol

baq 3y ago
Why am I being served content if I block ads?
shepherdjerred 3y ago
I was paying for YouTube Premium, but then I realized I still saw all of the sponsorship segments within videos.
BLKNSLVR 3y ago
Eeesh, the whole world pirated YouTube for all those years before Premium became a thing.
MikePlacid 3y ago
> but it's still piracy if you don't pay for a service in the ways they provide. Nope, it’s called “negotiation”. Here’s the money I want to pay for your service. You don’t want it? Fine, I’ll leave it here in case you change your mind. (Youtube can die in my book, I’ll just shrug.)
- judge2020 3y ago
  Negotiation despite them not accepting that negotiation. In contracts, if you try to "negotiate" and the counterparty rejects your offer, you can't just drop a bag full of cash at their door then expect to reap the benefits of an unsigned unexecuted contract to which they didn't agree to. All I'm saying is that it is "piracy" by definition, even if it's morally acceptable and basically 0 risk to partake in (AFAIK the only criminal offenders of Piracy have been booked for distribution, at least in the US).

bl4kers 3y ago

They run JS to see if content is present and visible after page load. Also I guarantee 99% of websites don't want or care about your cryptocurrency

healsdata 3y ago

> Technical curiosity: how site owners are able to detect blockers Let's take a simple rule from EasyList: > /snowplow.js This blocks the loading of any URL ending in snowplow.js. To see if a visitor to my website is using an ad blocker with EasyList, I can set a global variable `window.usingAdBlocker = true;` in my main content and then later change it in a scriptcalled snowplow.js that I include (`window.usingAdBlocker = false;`). So with a fresh Chrome install, the page loads and then the script sets the variable to false. However, with an ad blocker, the script never loads and the variable remains true. > why blockers are not able to bypass detection? Adblockers have developed rules to block this detection mechanism. It is a cat and mouse game. For example, there's a library called 'jQuery Adblock'. So the AakList (Anti-Adblock Killer) has a rule to block scripts called `/jquery.adblock.js` It is a cat and mouse game.