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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

bayindirh 3y ago
With 162MPH top speed, a Tesla Model 3 is not a slow car by any means, alas it breaks things (which are generally mounted on itself).
- tremon 3y ago
  That's just a single example. To add just such an example to the other end of the scales: their factories still move at a glacial pace. Even a tortoise is faster.
- idontknowifican 3y ago
  it is an interesting strategy here, does misdirection apply well outside if magic? does this work in actual conversation?
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    It was meant to be a joke to a begin with, but people took it very seriously.
kbos87 3y ago
What about Model 3 and Model Y? Would you say the same thing aout any other manufacturer that has kept a particular model around? All that aside, Tesla's approach is to have a few overall form factors and to innovate in software. The hardware is fine and matters a lot less.
- bmitc 3y ago
  > The hardware is fine and matters a lot less. The very post that started this discussion says otherwise. Software doesn't get you from A to B on its own.
akie 3y ago
I once read an opinion that stated that Tesla will eventually lose because they don't continually introduce new or updated models (say, every year) like other car brands do, and that person thought that they will lose customer favor because of it because their cars will be "the old thing" with no "new thing" available. In other words: Cars are fashion too, and Tesla only has one entry in each category. It's a good entry, but it's only one entry nevertheless. I thought that was an interesting observation, and I've been reminded of it ever since. Maybe that person was right.
- dazc 3y ago
  The only mistake Toyota made in the UK was to re-brand the Corolla as an Auris. They paddled back but not to the status they once enjoyed?
- bmitc 3y ago
  While unlikely to be that person, haha, I have mentioned that before. And I think the fashion argument is just one part of it. This whole time, it has showcased a hole in Tesla's capability. They simply aren't able to iterate their fleet. Look at Kia and Hyundai. They have dozens of models across all sorts of markets, and they were able to waltz into the EV market with immediate success. They already have more EV and hybrid models than Tesla's EV models and are quickly adding more. There's also an argument that hybrids are a growing, relatively untapped market sector, something Tesla is unlikely to be able to expand into.
- ryukoposting 3y ago
  An interesting take. I think we're already moving in a direction (at least in the US) where Tesla is becoming less "cool," but that's mostly because of their CEO, not their cars. Tesla targets a very narrow range of the car market. It doesn't make much sense for them to have two similar-sized models, because the Venn diagram of "people who want an EV" and "people who want a $SIZE $BODY_STYLE" is already pretty narrow.
brandonagr2 3y ago
Did you not know that the Model S and X had new body, interior, mechanicals just a couple years ago? Making it the quickest production car ever made. How is that ancient history?
valval 3y ago
What on earth are you on about? Model S and X have absolutely no competition in their price ranges.
- bmitc 3y ago
  How is that true? The Model S is over a decade old at this point. The Kia and Hyundai offerings easily compete if not outcompete Tesla.
- tomatocracy 3y ago
  Isn't the Porsche Taycan in the Model S price range?
  - valval 3y ago
    Even the cheapest trim is way more expensive, and way worse specced.
- ryukoposting 3y ago
  Model S price segment competitiors: Porsche Taycan, Mercedes EQS, Lucid Air, BMW i7, Genesis G80 EV, Audi e-tron GT Model X price segment competitors: Audi Q8/SQ8 e-tron, BMW iX, Mercedes EQS SUV, Lotus Eletre There are dozens of EVs with better powertrains and interiors for less money than the S/X. I have merely listed cars with similar MSRPs.

bayindirh 3y ago

With 162MPH top speed, a Tesla Model 3 is not a slow car by any means, alas it breaks things (which are generally mounted on itself).

tremon 3y ago
That's just a single example. To add just such an example to the other end of the scales: their factories still move at a glacial pace. Even a tortoise is faster.
idontknowifican 3y ago
it is an interesting strategy here, does misdirection apply well outside if magic? does this work in actual conversation?
- bayindirh 3y ago
  It was meant to be a joke to a begin with, but people took it very seriously.

kbos87 3y ago

What about Model 3 and Model Y? Would you say the same thing aout any other manufacturer that has kept a particular model around? All that aside, Tesla's approach is to have a few overall form factors and to innovate in software. The hardware is fine and matters a lot less.

bmitc 3y ago
> The hardware is fine and matters a lot less. The very post that started this discussion says otherwise. Software doesn't get you from A to B on its own.

akie 3y ago

I once read an opinion that stated that Tesla will eventually lose because they don't continually introduce new or updated models (say, every year) like other car brands do, and that person thought that they will lose customer favor because of it because their cars will be "the old thing" with no "new thing" available. In other words: Cars are fashion too, and Tesla only has one entry in each category. It's a good entry, but it's only one entry nevertheless. I thought that was an interesting observation, and I've been reminded of it ever since. Maybe that person was right.

dazc 3y ago
The only mistake Toyota made in the UK was to re-brand the Corolla as an Auris. They paddled back but not to the status they once enjoyed?
bmitc 3y ago
While unlikely to be that person, haha, I have mentioned that before. And I think the fashion argument is just one part of it. This whole time, it has showcased a hole in Tesla's capability. They simply aren't able to iterate their fleet. Look at Kia and Hyundai. They have dozens of models across all sorts of markets, and they were able to waltz into the EV market with immediate success. They already have more EV and hybrid models than Tesla's EV models and are quickly adding more. There's also an argument that hybrids are a growing, relatively untapped market sector, something Tesla is unlikely to be able to expand into.
ryukoposting 3y ago
An interesting take. I think we're already moving in a direction (at least in the US) where Tesla is becoming less "cool," but that's mostly because of their CEO, not their cars. Tesla targets a very narrow range of the car market. It doesn't make much sense for them to have two similar-sized models, because the Venn diagram of "people who want an EV" and "people who want a $SIZE $BODY_STYLE" is already pretty narrow.

brandonagr2 3y ago

Did you not know that the Model S and X had new body, interior, mechanicals just a couple years ago? Making it the quickest production car ever made. How is that ancient history?

valval 3y ago

What on earth are you on about? Model S and X have absolutely no competition in their price ranges.

bmitc 3y ago
How is that true? The Model S is over a decade old at this point. The Kia and Hyundai offerings easily compete if not outcompete Tesla.
tomatocracy 3y ago
Isn't the Porsche Taycan in the Model S price range?
- valval 3y ago
  Even the cheapest trim is way more expensive, and way worse specced.
ryukoposting 3y ago
Model S price segment competitiors: Porsche Taycan, Mercedes EQS, Lucid Air, BMW i7, Genesis G80 EV, Audi e-tron GT Model X price segment competitors: Audi Q8/SQ8 e-tron, BMW iX, Mercedes EQS SUV, Lotus Eletre There are dozens of EVs with better powertrains and interiors for less money than the S/X. I have merely listed cars with similar MSRPs.