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What makes you think they’re not reporting stuff to cops? These are fines sent to message aggregators and gateways. Providers like Twilio who have thousands of

What makes you think they’re not reporting stuff to cops? These are fines sent to message aggregators and gateways. Providers like Twilio who have thousands of different customers, and provide a simple on ramp to sending SMS into mobile network infrastructure. Terminating those relationships after a single violation would simple result in the eradication of all SMS sending services, except physical mobiles phones.

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petee 3y ago
Im only basing that on the language used on the page, which says only multiple violations may get you blocked. Perhaps I'm just confused about who is using it, and for what; I was under the impression this was for bulk mailing. But either way the whole industry has an abuse problem thats not really being taken seriously, as $2000 is barely a slap on the wrist -- what is a company's incentive to keep their platform clean with such a paltry fine? But maybe the SMS on ramp shouldn't be so simple? These are businesses and they have undoubtedly calculated the risk of easy onboarding vs scammers getting through
- nucleardog 3y ago
  These don’t need to be hugely punitive, just shift the economics enough to make doing the right thing less costly than the wrong thing. What do you think the average revenue per customer is at Bandwidth or Twilio? A couple thousand dollars in fines for a violation should be plenty of incentive to screen their customers better. If they start charging them $500k for a violation or something, these senders would just drop them entirely. Sure, you’d get rid of the junk… and everything else too.
llamaInSouth 3y ago
> Terminating those relationships after a single violation would simple result in the eradication of all SMS sending services, except physical mobiles phones. Might not be a bad thing... it would stop a lot of spam and stop companies from using SMS for 2FA

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petee 3y ago

Im only basing that on the language used on the page, which says only multiple violations may get you blocked. Perhaps I'm just confused about who is using it, and for what; I was under the impression this was for bulk mailing. But either way the whole industry has an abuse problem thats not really being taken seriously, as $2000 is barely a slap on the wrist -- what is a company's incentive to keep their platform clean with such a paltry fine? But maybe the SMS on ramp shouldn't be so simple? These are businesses and they have undoubtedly calculated the risk of easy onboarding vs scammers getting through

nucleardog 3y ago
These don’t need to be hugely punitive, just shift the economics enough to make doing the right thing less costly than the wrong thing. What do you think the average revenue per customer is at Bandwidth or Twilio? A couple thousand dollars in fines for a violation should be plenty of incentive to screen their customers better. If they start charging them $500k for a violation or something, these senders would just drop them entirely. Sure, you’d get rid of the junk… and everything else too.

llamaInSouth 3y ago

> Terminating those relationships after a single violation would simple result in the eradication of all SMS sending services, except physical mobiles phones. Might not be a bad thing... it would stop a lot of spam and stop companies from using SMS for 2FA