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4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> 4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many If you’re constantly totalling them, sure. If you’re re-selling, it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles. I don’t. But I also don’t care that much for cars or driving; to each their own.
- uxp8u61q 3y ago
  > it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles If you don't care about your environmental impact. I'm getting tired of these talking points where you shouldn't assume any kind of responsibility for your "preferences".
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > If you don't care about your environmental impact My point is the environmental effect is de minimis. Possibly positive. The old car is still being driven, just by someone else. Given it’s an EV, it’s likely—on the margin—pushing an ICE vehicle off the road.
    - roflyear 3y ago
      This is logically sound when phrased like this but it is not the reality. Studies show you should drive a car into the ground to achieve maximum environmental benefit (or minimum impact is more accurate) This is realized when you look at vast junkyards of unused cars in the US.
      - gruez 3y ago
        >Studies show [...] 1. source? 2. what is their methodology for "maximum environmental benefit", and how do they account for the fact that when you buy a new car that costs 5 tons CO2e to produce and sell it 2 years later, that you're not on the hook for all 5 tons of emissions? That said, the cost of buying cars every 2 years probably isn't zero either. There are transaction costs and at the margins you're probably pushing the average lifetime of a car ever so slightly lower, thereby causing more emissions to be generated from manufacturing. However on the flip side, OP mentioned that he was doing this with teslas (ie. electric cars), and they're better for the environment compared with ICE cars. If his actions are displacing used ICE cars, he could be actually doing a net good by effectively subsidizing the replacement of ICE cars with electric. >This is realized when you look at vast junkyards of unused cars in the US. The tight used car market begs to differ.
  - mlrtime 3y ago
    Could you please sell everything you have, give it to a charity and live in the woods? I'm getting tired of every discussion diverging into a 'environmental impact' judgment message from anonymous.
    - roflyear 3y ago
      This is the same argument as "don't complain, someone has it worse" and it's a flawed one.
      - philjackson 3y ago
        Fallacy of relative privation.

> 4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many If you’re constantly totalling them, sure. If you’re re-selling, it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles. I don’t. But I also don’t care that much for cars or driving; to each their own.

uxp8u61q 3y ago
> it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles If you don't care about your environmental impact. I'm getting tired of these talking points where you shouldn't assume any kind of responsibility for your "preferences".
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > If you don't care about your environmental impact My point is the environmental effect is de minimis. Possibly positive. The old car is still being driven, just by someone else. Given it’s an EV, it’s likely—on the margin—pushing an ICE vehicle off the road.
  - roflyear 3y ago
    This is logically sound when phrased like this but it is not the reality. Studies show you should drive a car into the ground to achieve maximum environmental benefit (or minimum impact is more accurate) This is realized when you look at vast junkyards of unused cars in the US.
    - gruez 3y ago
      >Studies show [...] 1. source? 2. what is their methodology for "maximum environmental benefit", and how do they account for the fact that when you buy a new car that costs 5 tons CO2e to produce and sell it 2 years later, that you're not on the hook for all 5 tons of emissions? That said, the cost of buying cars every 2 years probably isn't zero either. There are transaction costs and at the margins you're probably pushing the average lifetime of a car ever so slightly lower, thereby causing more emissions to be generated from manufacturing. However on the flip side, OP mentioned that he was doing this with teslas (ie. electric cars), and they're better for the environment compared with ICE cars. If his actions are displacing used ICE cars, he could be actually doing a net good by effectively subsidizing the replacement of ICE cars with electric. >This is realized when you look at vast junkyards of unused cars in the US. The tight used car market begs to differ.
- mlrtime 3y ago
  Could you please sell everything you have, give it to a charity and live in the woods? I'm getting tired of every discussion diverging into a 'environmental impact' judgment message from anonymous.
  - roflyear 3y ago
    This is the same argument as "don't complain, someone has it worse" and it's a flawed one.
    - philjackson 3y ago
      Fallacy of relative privation.