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My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say t
by silisili 3y ago
My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.
- croes 3y agoTo be fair, infotainment is a relatively recent feature of cars.
- europeanNyan 3y agoWhat is there to be fair about? We've had various iterations of GPS navigation for decades now. Yet, most maps on most infotainments are unusable slow pieces of rubbish. UX of various GUIs has been a point of research for a very long time. Yet, they are discovering it as if it was a completely new concept, the concept of touching something and it actually doing something in a short amount of time. It's like they are purposely ignoring the plethora of mobile devices and GPS units of the last decades.
- croes 3y agoBecause these are bonus features and not necessary for driving unlike tires that won't fall off. Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38707589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38707589
- flutas 3y ago> Because these are bonus features and not necessary for driving unlike tires that won't fall off. > Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car. Thank god the existing manufacturers have this nailed down, like Toyota[0], Dodge [1], Ford[2], Mazda[3], or even high end manufacturers like Lamborghini[4]. [0]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-recalls-new-ev-over-risk-wheels-could-fall-off-11655996156 https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-recalls-new-ev-over-risk... [1]: https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/dodge-ram-trucks-recalled-because-wheels-could-fly-off/RMOTOOQP6ZBVPPMXIHG6DONTN4/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/dodge-ram-trucks-recalle... [2]: https://www.thedrive.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-raptors-recalled-because-the-wheels-can-fall-off https://www.thedrive.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-raptors-recall... [3]: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/nation-world/2019/07/03/mazda3-recalled-because-wheels-might/4773406007/ https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/nation-world/2019/07/03/... [4]: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/lamborghini-aventador-sv-recall-wheels/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/lamborghini-aventador-sv-...
- sschueller 3y agoInfotainment is not a cars purpose but an addition. If you need to play video games and watch Netflix then you should not be driving.
- konschubert 3y agoI would like a map that is up to date and has a good UX. Spotify and podcasts. Voice controls that allow me to hear and speak text messages. Basic stuff, impossible for Volkswagen. EDIT: I agree with the replies that say this should be handled by CarPlay/Android Auto. In which case I’d like my cars software to support that well. EDIT2: Oh and there has to be an api where the car shares charge state and range estimates with my phone, such that my phone can plan a route around charge stops.
- switch007 3y agoVoice control is the entertainment! I only ever use it when I’m bored and to see how hilariously wrong it can be :D
- hef19898 3y agoPicking VW as an example for Infotainment is the equivalent of picking Tesla for reliability: a way to show how not to do it.
- europeanNyan 3y agoI can vouch that Dacia or Renault is not any better and serve as a pure gateway to Apple Carplay.
- hef19898 3y agoI am quite happy with Peugeot and Jaguar. Never tried Car Play or Android Auto and never will so, Bluetooth streaming is all I need. I heard all kind of horror stories from the latest VW software so. Which is funny, because Skoda seems to be a lot better despite being the same group.
- prmoustache 3y agoAren't everybody using android auto (or its Apple equivalent) these days anyway? The builtin infotainment system is usually just a second thought that exist just to showcase something in the showroom and setup android auto at first use.
- izacus 3y agoNo, because Teslas don't support it and you're stuck with whatever they thought of.
- vultour 3y agoI have no reason to use it because my infotainment doesn’t suck.
- oblio 3y agoI assume you're using Tesla. Do you live in one of their core markets? I doubt Tesla Maps or whatever it's called holds a candle to Google Maps for non-US, non-Western Europe regions.
- vultour 3y agoNo, it's a Skoda. I mostly just use the navigation which is very usable, plus with a subscription you also get live traffic. There's a few things which annoy me about the infotainment but that's inherent to the whole system (like annoying popups on boot), so CarPlay doesn't fix that.
- prmoustache 3y agoOne good reason is that your phone, or rather the account tied to your phone, already keeps all your favorite destinations.
- pmontra 3y agoGoogle upgraded Android Auto to a backward incompatible version right before I bought my second hand 2016 car. The car manufacturer never upgraded the software of the car so I don't even know what Android Auto can do. But everybody has their own phone so if it's OK at home and on a bus it will be OK in a car too.
- izacus 3y agoWhat does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? Having a crap experience across the board isn't a redeeming feature you think it is.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? That one of the tricks Tesla is figuring out is how to cook the books on these figures. I drive an ICE Subaru, and I love it. But some friends visited and didn’t tighten the gas cap once, which put the infotainment system into a fit, which put a bunch of other systems into a conniption, systems totally unrelated like ABS. (?!) The issue persisted across restarts and ultimately required servicing. How was this recorded? User error. In part because there is a dealership between me and the manufacturer that is responsible for servicing the vehicle.
- b112 3y agoI'm willing to bet a lot, that there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap. These events just happened at the same, general timeframe.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap I wouldn’t have linked the two had the dealership not told me that was what caused it.
- janoc 3y agoWouldn't be the first time the dealership was telling customer complete BS assuming that they don't have a clue in order to either get out of a warranty repair or to inflate an invoice. Also dealerships not having a clue is not rare either. Many garages these days only connect a computer to the diagnostics port, download whatever error codes are shown and tell the shocked driver that half of their car is kaputt with the repair likely going to be several thousands of euro. All the while the real problem is a blown fuse for one of the control units or a wire has chaffed and broke somewhere - and the diagnostic codes come only because the ECU can't talk to some sensors because part of the vehicle's CAN bus is down.
- demondemidi 3y agoWere they luxury cars, like teslas?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> luxury cars, like teslas Model 3s are not luxury vehicles. By feature set, positioning or price point.
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- nixass 3y agoWhat exactly gives impression of luxury in Tesla, other than ridiculous price?
- TacticalCoder 3y ago> Were they luxury cars, like teslas? Teslas are priced as luxury cars but they aren't luxury cars. They have strong selling points, like the amazing battery compared to other EVs or their looks (I do find the Model S very nice / sleek) but the quality of the interior/materials and sound proofing simply isn't there, not by a mile. Here's a list, for example, of some actual luxury cars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-segment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-segment I was highly disappointed when I went in a Model S: I'm used to actual luxury cars and I simply don't know how to put it nicely: to me a Model S is a complete rip off price-wise. I'd urge anyone thinking that Tesla is luxury to go in a Mercedes dealership and sit in a class S or go to a Porsche dealership and sit in a Panamera (or in the Taycan 100% EV). That is luxury. FWIW the Tesla Model S and Porsche Panamera (for example) entry models begin at the same price so it's not apple and orange comparison: that's why I say Tesla is sold as luxury, at the price of luxury, but is not luxury.
- rightbyte 3y agoTesla had the first mover advantage on offering EVs. I don't think they will be able to charge the premium going forwards compared to say Mercedes and still have the low quality interior and general mechanical quality at Dacia level.
- mdp2021 3y ago> loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence Confirmed. Friends in the car maintenance business have witnessed for years a quality fall (materials etc). "Infotainment", I hope I will not have the experience (apart maybe from removing some), but my last car was the first one with a sound system that hissed.
- jeffrallen 3y agoI watch Sandy Munro sometimes. His comments on how to cut costs sometimes sound brilliant, and sometimes sound like a race to the bottom. I suspect that's the problem: even the experts don't know what the consequences of a certain cost cutting measure is. At a polar opposite, I'm reminded of the wonder of walking across the Brooklyn bridge and thinking, "they don't make them like this anymore".
- mlrtime 3y agoWait until you read how many people died building the BB and how much it costs to maintain it. Althought we did learn a lot about the affects of pressure on the human body which is cool.
- uxp8u61q 3y agoHow is your anecdote supposed to counter cold hard data gathered at the level of a whole country?
- nomad_dude 3y agoWhat do you mean by “ICE cars?”