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Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the gla
by Dinux 3y ago
Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV.
Anything you use and use a lot needs maintenance, especially if you rely on it, that goes for you're electric toothbrush as wel as your car. Its a utopica to think EVs somehow need less upkeep.
Sure build quality can be improved here and there, and over the last 4 years I have seen Tesla's cars become better. To me regular OTA updates, up-to-date map, apps, an actual working charging network and range are more important than having all the panels aligned withing a couple of milimeters.
- philjackson 3y ago4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> 4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many If you’re constantly totalling them, sure. If you’re re-selling, it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles. I don’t. But I also don’t care that much for cars or driving; to each their own.
- uxp8u61q 3y ago> it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles If you don't care about your environmental impact. I'm getting tired of these talking points where you shouldn't assume any kind of responsibility for your "preferences".
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> If you don't care about your environmental impact My point is the environmental effect is de minimis. Possibly positive. The old car is still being driven, just by someone else. Given it’s an EV, it’s likely—on the margin—pushing an ICE vehicle off the road.
- roflyear 3y agoThis is logically sound when phrased like this but it is not the reality. Studies show you should drive a car into the ground to achieve maximum environmental benefit (or minimum impact is more accurate) This is realized when you look at vast junkyards of unused cars in the US.
- gruez 3y ago>Studies show [...] 1. source? 2. what is their methodology for "maximum environmental benefit", and how do they account for the fact that when you buy a new car that costs 5 tons CO2e to produce and sell it 2 years later, that you're not on the hook for all 5 tons of emissions? That said, the cost of buying cars every 2 years probably isn't zero either. There are transaction costs and at the margins you're probably pushing the average lifetime of a car ever so slightly lower, thereby causing more emissions to be generated from manufacturing. However on the flip side, OP mentioned that he was doing this with teslas (ie. electric cars), and they're better for the environment compared with ICE cars. If his actions are displacing used ICE cars, he could be actually doing a net good by effectively subsidizing the replacement of ICE cars with electric. >This is realized when you look at vast junkyards of unused cars in the US. The tight used car market begs to differ.
- mlrtime 3y agoCould you please sell everything you have, give it to a charity and live in the woods? I'm getting tired of every discussion diverging into a 'environmental impact' judgment message from anonymous.
- roflyear 3y agoThis is the same argument as "don't complain, someone has it worse" and it's a flawed one.
- philjackson 3y agoFallacy of relative privation.
- TheAlchemist 3y agoBut ... why ? Why did you have 4 Teslas in ~10 years ? I'm really curious, why are you buying an electric car in the first place ? Cause it's sure as hell not for the sake of saving the planet.
- bagels 3y agoProbably the same reason people go through a BMW every few years: leasing cars so you are always driving new cars.
- angulardragon03 3y agoProbably this, yeah. Lease cars as part of your work comp are relatively common in the tech sector here.
- darthrupert 3y agoWhich is nice for us middle earners since we get those almost new models a lot cheaper.
- hef19898 3y agoCars coming back from lwasing, if bought with a new warranty, are great value. Especially after Covid, those 2020/2021 model years tend to have incredible low millage.
- atq2119 3y agoFor the same reason, it's also nice for top earners with a healthy attitude towards cars.
- ohdannyboy 3y agoWhy is it unhealthy for people who have the discretionary income to want to spend it on newer, higher featured cars? Seems like a simple preference.
- consp 3y agoThe low friction tires are less durable afaik. I've noticed this in practice with the comparison between my plugin and others full electric which almost always have those kind of tires. N=1 of course. Edit: also, the APK is only after the first 4 years, and does not check things like brake fluid (which you should replace now and then) and things like bearing wear unless it becomes so obvious that it is affecting driving chacteristics. The APK does not check a lot of wear and tear so you should still do regular checkups. Edit: maintenance is not mandatory. Only when it would be in violation of the APK, and by that time you damaged more than you should have.
- hef19898 3y agoThere is anecdata and data. The TÜV Süd report is the latter.
- floodle 3y agon=1
- Dinux 3y agoWell, N=4 in this case. But sure its no research
- somedude895 3y agoI have a 2017 Model S and two of my buddies bought Model 3/Ys two years ago, neither of us ever had any serious issues, except for the random rattle in the cabin every now and then. The finish is clearly not very high quality, but the car and all the systems have worked flawlessly so far. Although the submission title says "Faults by Car Brand", the article is actually about specific models, where Tesla's Model 3 scored the lowest.
- rkuodys 3y agoI think report by TUV does not differentiate how quickly problem is solved. The issue is that problems are frequent. When buying new car I don't want to go to service more than once a year. Twice at most.
- foepys 3y agoI assume that you only drove each car 3 years max? After 3 years a car has to be inspected for the first time by law in Germany. Maybe you just didn't know something was wrong? Because usually people have their car inspected before going to the mandatory "Hauptuntersuchung" (HU) which Tesla apparently doesn't recommend, thus Teslas failing the HU en masse.
- Dalewyn 3y ago>Its a utopica to think EVs somehow need less upkeep. EVs objectively need less upkeep compared to engine cars because a substantial portion of maintaining a car is related to the engine and transmission. An EV still requires maintenance like repressurizing tires; replacement of worn out tires, brakes, and wiper blades; refilling of fluids like the windshield cleaner; and so on in addition to anything EV specific, but that's all still far less compared to engine cars.
- Avshalom 3y ago>never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. okay but how many serious issues have you had?
- roflyear 3y agoHaving any serious issues with a few years old car is a problem. Id consider that a lemon. If you've had that experience multiple times from the same manufacturer...