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> Say it takes 5min, that's 5min of being right there holding the pump (or babysitting it) 5 mins is like 50 gallons of gas, which is a very, very large gas ta

by dmoy 3y ago

> Say it takes 5min, that's 5min of being right there holding the pump (or babysitting it) 5 mins is like 50 gallons of gas, which is a very, very large gas tank. That's like larger than a Ford F-350 gas tank. My car's gas tank fills in like one minute, if I run it fairly close to empty (which is rare)

Dalewyn 3y ago
A fully fueled F-350 can easily travel 700+ miles before it needs to refuel, too. Assuming it's just being driven around town, you'll probably go months between stopping at the pump.
- AYBABTME 3y ago
  Doesn't change much to your argument. But fuel doesn't last for months sitting in a tank. Gas will absorbs moisture from the mandatory ethanol mix and become quasi useless, and diesel will develop algae, clogging the piping and filters.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Speaking from experience it really isn't as big of a problem as it sounds, and there are additives you can use if it does become a bother.
- dreamoffire 3y ago
  Which year/trim of a truck are we talking about here specifically? I’d be interested in not refuelling for months of city driving. Assuming we’re just talking about driving around for errands and not things you use a truck for, this would still be impressive.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    2021 Ford F-350 XLT, long bed + crew cab, diesel engine (do F-350s even come in gas...?). Family and I used it for moving across state, and with no load (or very light load, no trailer) and a full tank it could make a 700 mile journey in one go with fuel to spare. That included going up a couple mountain passes. Fully loaded (20ft enclosed trailer and truck bed), it still made about 500 miles of the way before we needed to refuel. Worth noting, we found the mileage wasn't actually affected in any significant way by any cargo we hauled. It was pulling that trailer, regardless empty or loaded, that reduced mileage (aerodynamic drag!). Street driving is less efficient than freeway driving, obviously, but with a ~40 gallon fuel tank it should still make stopping at the pump a very infrequent event.
esperent 3y ago
I think the parent comment mentioned 5 minutes because this is how long the article says these new batteries will take to refuel. Although it's quite likely the article made this figure up. In any case, it's a redundant point because it's unlikely a battery fluid system would be designed in the same way as old fashioned gas pumps. More likely, it would clamp on and you can sit in the car or take a small walk while it does it's work. Gas pumps are designed to be handheld because they are fast. If it took 5 minutes to pump gas, we would probably have redesigned these by now too.
Faaak 3y ago
Don't you have to pay for it afterwards ?
- oe 3y ago
  At least around here you open an app on your phone, select which pump you are on, and the total is charged from your debit card. The total time is just the time it takes to pump fuel to the car.
- devilbunny 3y ago
  Pay at the pump is nearly universal in the US. The last time I encountered a station that didn't have it was ca. 2001 in rural Arkansas. Pull up, insert card, insert filling handle, start, lock on, step to the side to avoid fumes, when it clicks off you put up handle, put gas cap on, drive away. Electric cars have a lot of pluses, but refilling the tank as quickly as gasoline or diesel isn't one of them. I can drive at highway speeds for over thirteen hours on two refills of the tank, each of which takes less time than walking in and using the restroom.
  - burnerburnito 3y ago
    For whatever it's worth, some places currently disallow pay at the pump if you're refuelling late at night, at least for diesel (I didn't check for gasoline). I've encountered it before while driving across the US even just 1-2 years ago.
jtc331 3y ago
IME gas pumps are often slower than the 10 Gpm limit in the US.

by dmoy 3y ago

Dalewyn 3y ago

A fully fueled F-350 can easily travel 700+ miles before it needs to refuel, too. Assuming it's just being driven around town, you'll probably go months between stopping at the pump.

AYBABTME 3y ago
Doesn't change much to your argument. But fuel doesn't last for months sitting in a tank. Gas will absorbs moisture from the mandatory ethanol mix and become quasi useless, and diesel will develop algae, clogging the piping and filters.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  Speaking from experience it really isn't as big of a problem as it sounds, and there are additives you can use if it does become a bother.
dreamoffire 3y ago
Which year/trim of a truck are we talking about here specifically? I’d be interested in not refuelling for months of city driving. Assuming we’re just talking about driving around for errands and not things you use a truck for, this would still be impressive.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  2021 Ford F-350 XLT, long bed + crew cab, diesel engine (do F-350s even come in gas...?). Family and I used it for moving across state, and with no load (or very light load, no trailer) and a full tank it could make a 700 mile journey in one go with fuel to spare. That included going up a couple mountain passes. Fully loaded (20ft enclosed trailer and truck bed), it still made about 500 miles of the way before we needed to refuel. Worth noting, we found the mileage wasn't actually affected in any significant way by any cargo we hauled. It was pulling that trailer, regardless empty or loaded, that reduced mileage (aerodynamic drag!). Street driving is less efficient than freeway driving, obviously, but with a ~40 gallon fuel tank it should still make stopping at the pump a very infrequent event.

esperent 3y ago

I think the parent comment mentioned 5 minutes because this is how long the article says these new batteries will take to refuel. Although it's quite likely the article made this figure up. In any case, it's a redundant point because it's unlikely a battery fluid system would be designed in the same way as old fashioned gas pumps. More likely, it would clamp on and you can sit in the car or take a small walk while it does it's work. Gas pumps are designed to be handheld because they are fast. If it took 5 minutes to pump gas, we would probably have redesigned these by now too.

Faaak 3y ago

Don't you have to pay for it afterwards ?

oe 3y ago
At least around here you open an app on your phone, select which pump you are on, and the total is charged from your debit card. The total time is just the time it takes to pump fuel to the car.
devilbunny 3y ago
Pay at the pump is nearly universal in the US. The last time I encountered a station that didn't have it was ca. 2001 in rural Arkansas. Pull up, insert card, insert filling handle, start, lock on, step to the side to avoid fumes, when it clicks off you put up handle, put gas cap on, drive away. Electric cars have a lot of pluses, but refilling the tank as quickly as gasoline or diesel isn't one of them. I can drive at highway speeds for over thirteen hours on two refills of the tank, each of which takes less time than walking in and using the restroom.
- burnerburnito 3y ago
  For whatever it's worth, some places currently disallow pay at the pump if you're refuelling late at night, at least for diesel (I didn't check for gasoline). I've encountered it before while driving across the US even just 1-2 years ago.

jtc331 3y ago

IME gas pumps are often slower than the 10 Gpm limit in the US.