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Well, good luck convincing anyone to merge all config and mutable state into the same place (that should be fun, especially the user-specific config/state) :)
by someplaceguy 3y ago
Well, good luck convincing anyone to merge all config and mutable state into the same place (that should be fun, especially the user-specific config/state) :)
> NixOS's handling of state is poor. Even ignoring the problem of it all being spread out it is not uncommon for secrets to make it into /nix/store which is world readable.
The secrets handling is a well-known issue and easy to avoid when you're familiar with Nix. Although yes, it can be a problem when people are not aware of it.
And I disagree with NixOS's handling of state being poor. Apart from this "secrets" problem you mentioned, it's not worse than other Linux-based operating systems and in fact it can be argued that it's significantly better.
Just the fact that /nix/store is mounted read-only is, on its own, already a huge improvement over letting users and applications installing and modifying the system in an ad-hoc fashion (good luck when you upgrade your system!).
Not to mention all the other advantages of /nix/store (such as user-installed applications, no package or library conflicts even if you install multiple versions of them, etc).
And as another example, the `stateVersion` feature is something that also makes upgrades a lot more reliable, and I know of no other operating system that has a similar feature.
Atomic configuration changes, booting into specific configurations, and system-wide configuration roll-backs (configurations which also include changes in package versions or even entire OS upgrades), also makes upgrades and configuration changes easy to try / fix if anything goes wrong. No other widely-used operating system has such a reliable configuration change mechanism, as far as I know.
But, you know, if you have other ideas of how things can be improved (apart from your idea of merging user and system-wide state into the same place, which I think makes no sense), I would definitely appreciate to hear it!
- charcircuit 3y ago>Well, good luck convincing anyone to merge all config and mutable state into the same place It will need to happen sooner or later once distros realize that security is important. >it's not worse than other Linux-based operating systems I was not talking in relative terms. NixOS made steps in the right direction, but there is still much more that can be done.
- someplaceguy 3y agoIf you can think of a concrete and detailed, workable proposal, maybe you could write up a NixOS RFC and send a PR for discussion (or post something on the discourse community website?). Who knows, maybe something can be fleshed out and improvements come out of it...
- charcircuit 3y agoThanks for the suggestion, ut I don't currently have time to design this. If I did I personally think there are other usability issues that I would prioritized fixing instead of trying to push the technology forward.