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What’s really funny is that the democracy Americans keep touting as some amazing system is currently stripping away rights from: Queer folk Women Pro-Palesti

What’s really funny is that the democracy Americans keep touting as some amazing system is currently stripping away rights from: Queer folk Women Pro-Palestinian people Maybe it’s time to question if your democracy is at a point to be exported to the rest of the world (?)

callalex 3y ago
Can you name one non-democracy that isn’t doing exactly those same things?
- aaomidi 3y ago
  I never said non democracies are good. I just said our democracy isn’t mature enough.
  - junofan 3y ago
    I dunno, the whole point of a government based on natural rights theory is the government isn’t the giver of rights, so it can’t strip people of rights. If you’re thinking of privileges granted by a group of doctrinaires, that’s more like an ecclesiastical polity.
  - callalex 3y ago
    Ok, then what was the point you were actually trying to make while listing minority groups with high specificity? Let’s start from a point of common understanding: I agree that it is a bad thing to oppress minority groups.
mikrotikker 3y ago
Which rights exactly?
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Are you serious? lol Maybe let’s start with the basic one that’s abortion?
  - Levitz 3y ago
    This is a map of countries in which abortion is legal: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Abortion_Laws.svg/1200px-Abortion_Laws.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Ab... This is a map of democratic countries: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18737.jpeg https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18737.jpeg You might notice a resemblance. Want to do gay rights next?
    - defrost 3y ago
      Your maps appear to support the premise put forward by aaomidi. The USofA is labelled there as not very democratic, grouped as with "Flawed Democracies" and the premise put forward was that US Democracy was stripping rights (eg: abortion) and perhaps wasn't a great example of a good democracy.
    - foverzar 3y ago
      > You might notice a resemblance. Only if you really-really squint and look only at americas, while ignoring most of Eurasia and huge chunk of Africa where most of the world's population happens to live. I hardly see much of a global correlation here.
  - mikrotikker 3y ago
    Try another? The abortion issue is clearly used by either side to drive division, they don't want to fix it. So it's less a stripping and more of a peasants stuck in the middle kind of thing.

callalex 3y ago

Can you name one non-democracy that isn’t doing exactly those same things?

aaomidi 3y ago
I never said non democracies are good. I just said our democracy isn’t mature enough.
- junofan 3y ago
  I dunno, the whole point of a government based on natural rights theory is the government isn’t the giver of rights, so it can’t strip people of rights. If you’re thinking of privileges granted by a group of doctrinaires, that’s more like an ecclesiastical polity.
- callalex 3y ago
  Ok, then what was the point you were actually trying to make while listing minority groups with high specificity? Let’s start from a point of common understanding: I agree that it is a bad thing to oppress minority groups.

mikrotikker 3y ago

Which rights exactly?

aaomidi 3y ago
Are you serious? lol Maybe let’s start with the basic one that’s abortion?
- Levitz 3y ago
  This is a map of countries in which abortion is legal: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Abortion_Laws.svg/1200px-Abortion_Laws.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Ab... This is a map of democratic countries: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18737.jpeg https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18737.jpeg You might notice a resemblance. Want to do gay rights next?
  - defrost 3y ago
    Your maps appear to support the premise put forward by aaomidi. The USofA is labelled there as not very democratic, grouped as with "Flawed Democracies" and the premise put forward was that US Democracy was stripping rights (eg: abortion) and perhaps wasn't a great example of a good democracy.
  - foverzar 3y ago
    > You might notice a resemblance. Only if you really-really squint and look only at americas, while ignoring most of Eurasia and huge chunk of Africa where most of the world's population happens to live. I hardly see much of a global correlation here.
- mikrotikker 3y ago
  Try another? The abortion issue is clearly used by either side to drive division, they don't want to fix it. So it's less a stripping and more of a peasants stuck in the middle kind of thing.