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Your first link backs up exactly what I mentioned above: > In antichità, quando si parlava latino, le formule di cortesia non esistevano … L’usanza del Voi nas

Your first link backs up exactly what I mentioned above: > In antichità, quando si parlava latino, le formule di cortesia non esistevano … L’usanza del Voi nasce insieme a una nuova formula politica: la tetrarchia introdotta nel 293 da Diocleziano. It was an innovation in Romance that took place centuries after Caesar and most of the Imperial era. Again, there is ample scholarly literature on this, so no need to resort to popular references like encyclopedias.

lnxg33k1 3y ago
Yeah I saw that, but I'd say if that makes sense, that they're attributing the introduction of "Voi" within the roman era and not in the medieval times, right? The second one instead attributes it to "Roma Cesarea", to be fair, it is not the encyclopaedia that attributes it to "Roma Cesarea" but the article that influenced Mussolini quoted on the article on the encyclopaedia, so they're probably only quoting, but I don't know enough, so I'd trust you're right, thank you
- NewsyHacker 3y ago
  Historians today tend to trace the ultimate fall of the Roman Empire to the multiple crises of the third century, even if the name of the empire limped on for a couple of centuries more. So AD 293 is quite a late date, on the threshold to a new era. From the viewpoint of modern historians, it is hard to understand how Italian Fascism could have seen anything that late as worth being proud of and emulating.
  - 082349872349872 3y ago
    It's much easier to understand if one doesn't assume that Fascism ever cared about academic truth.
    - lnxg33k1 3y ago
      Probably you're right, they just needed something widely known to make people feel some sort of national identity/united/proud and control them better
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    > trace the ultimate fall of the Roman Empire to Or the plague and the subsequent Arab invasions. The empire was rebounded several times from near collapse after the 300s
    - NewsyHacker 3y ago
      The Western Empire was the only Roman Empire that the Italian Fascists ever really cared about. Early Byzantium was totally foreign to their mythology.

lnxg33k1 3y ago

Yeah I saw that, but I'd say if that makes sense, that they're attributing the introduction of "Voi" within the roman era and not in the medieval times, right? The second one instead attributes it to "Roma Cesarea", to be fair, it is not the encyclopaedia that attributes it to "Roma Cesarea" but the article that influenced Mussolini quoted on the article on the encyclopaedia, so they're probably only quoting, but I don't know enough, so I'd trust you're right, thank you

NewsyHacker 3y ago
Historians today tend to trace the ultimate fall of the Roman Empire to the multiple crises of the third century, even if the name of the empire limped on for a couple of centuries more. So AD 293 is quite a late date, on the threshold to a new era. From the viewpoint of modern historians, it is hard to understand how Italian Fascism could have seen anything that late as worth being proud of and emulating.
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  It's much easier to understand if one doesn't assume that Fascism ever cared about academic truth.
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    Probably you're right, they just needed something widely known to make people feel some sort of national identity/united/proud and control them better
- ffgjgf1 3y ago
  > trace the ultimate fall of the Roman Empire to Or the plague and the subsequent Arab invasions. The empire was rebounded several times from near collapse after the 300s
  - NewsyHacker 3y ago
    The Western Empire was the only Roman Empire that the Italian Fascists ever really cared about. Early Byzantium was totally foreign to their mythology.