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There's also the propaganda accusation as propaganda. If TikTok skews young and they have a viewpoint that's different from entrenched power, we can just blame

There's also the propaganda accusation as propaganda. If TikTok skews young and they have a viewpoint that's different from entrenched power, we can just blame the Chinese.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
If they don't want the accusation they shouldn't commingle civilian enterprise with communist party goals. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/chinese-communist-partys-theory-hybrid-warfare https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/chinese-commun... Edit: They have this and the thousand talents program and then complain that people don't trust them. https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat/chinese-talent-plans https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin...
- woooooo 3y ago
  I'm not worried about the Chinese, they'll be fine. Just pointing out what a wonderful boogeyman they make if you want to discount the viewpoints of young Americans. Any left-wing viewpoint that's common on TikTok could probably be spun as "aligning with CCP strategy" if we don't like it.
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Meanwhile the US military gets direct access to American schools. Especially in Rural areas. It’s propaganda all the way down. We now just have someone competing with us on it :)
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    Should the military not be advertised as a career choice or should China be represented at US schools too?
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      >Should the military not be advertised as a career choice I'm not from the US and to me it sounds completely batshit insane to have anything military in the school - career wise information or not. Never in my many years in the education system have I seen anything from the military. Why should I? It is not a recruiting ground (or is it?!). Private enterprise, the military, etc. have absolutely nothing to do in the school system.
      - aaomidi 3y ago
        And it’s not just that, also they’re up to shit like this: https://theintercept.com/2023/04/16/georgia-army-national-guard-location-tracking-high-school/ https://theintercept.com/2023/04/16/georgia-army-national-gu...
      - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        So you think that some career information should be withheld?
  - TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
    I think it’s preferred that the “competition” aren’t the country’s geopolitical rivals who would love to see the country weaken if not destroyed.
- Dah00n 3y ago
  >If they don't want the accusation they shouldn't commingle civilian enterprise with communist party goals. I fail to see how this is worse than what most Western countries do on a daily basis. Who pays for schools (especially higher education) in the US? Do they not decide what goes and not goes in the schools? Do SpaceX employees chant "SpaceX SpaceX SpaceX" at every launch or is it "USA USA USA"? As a non-American the US party goals seems way more commingled with civilian enterprises than the Chinese. We are not any better - just different. The sad part is most that say otherwise have not even experienced both systems first-hand, but just go online and talk FUD. Some because they don't know better, some even though they do know better.

There's also the propaganda accusation as propaganda. If TikTok skews young and they have a viewpoint that's different from entrenched power, we can just blame the Chinese.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

If they don't want the accusation they shouldn't commingle civilian enterprise with communist party goals. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/chinese-communist-partys-theory-hybrid-warfare https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/chinese-commun... Edit: They have this and the thousand talents program and then complain that people don't trust them. https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat/chinese-talent-plans https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin...

woooooo 3y ago
I'm not worried about the Chinese, they'll be fine. Just pointing out what a wonderful boogeyman they make if you want to discount the viewpoints of young Americans. Any left-wing viewpoint that's common on TikTok could probably be spun as "aligning with CCP strategy" if we don't like it.
aaomidi 3y ago
Meanwhile the US military gets direct access to American schools. Especially in Rural areas. It’s propaganda all the way down. We now just have someone competing with us on it :)
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  Should the military not be advertised as a career choice or should China be represented at US schools too?
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    >Should the military not be advertised as a career choice I'm not from the US and to me it sounds completely batshit insane to have anything military in the school - career wise information or not. Never in my many years in the education system have I seen anything from the military. Why should I? It is not a recruiting ground (or is it?!). Private enterprise, the military, etc. have absolutely nothing to do in the school system.
    - aaomidi 3y ago
      And it’s not just that, also they’re up to shit like this: https://theintercept.com/2023/04/16/georgia-army-national-guard-location-tracking-high-school/ https://theintercept.com/2023/04/16/georgia-army-national-gu...
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
      So you think that some career information should be withheld?
- TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
  I think it’s preferred that the “competition” aren’t the country’s geopolitical rivals who would love to see the country weaken if not destroyed.
Dah00n 3y ago
>If they don't want the accusation they shouldn't commingle civilian enterprise with communist party goals. I fail to see how this is worse than what most Western countries do on a daily basis. Who pays for schools (especially higher education) in the US? Do they not decide what goes and not goes in the schools? Do SpaceX employees chant "SpaceX SpaceX SpaceX" at every launch or is it "USA USA USA"? As a non-American the US party goals seems way more commingled with civilian enterprises than the Chinese. We are not any better - just different. The sad part is most that say otherwise have not even experienced both systems first-hand, but just go online and talk FUD. Some because they don't know better, some even though they do know better.