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I get what you are saying. But I will say that a lot of local foods disappeared because of the global trade. There are TONS of edible plants and trees that we d

I get what you are saying. But I will say that a lot of local foods disappeared because of the global trade. There are TONS of edible plants and trees that we don’t even consider because we buy one of the 3 types of lettuce sold. This is not because they are bad tasting, actually in some cases superior to their store bought alternative. It is just that nobody knows about them. There is benefits, but there is also cons.

tsunamifury 3y ago
I live in California and benefit greatly from incredible local produce, but someone in Alabama does not. Trade has allowed everyone to enjoy the best of each region, while giving up some of their own. I’d say the bigger issue is the commodification of corn syrup and reductionism of product for addiction rather than trade itself.
- sarchertech 3y ago
  Alabama has a long growing season, a ton of arable land and more average rainfall than nearly anywhere in California. Not as warm in winter as California sure, but I’m not sure it’s the best example
  - tsunamifury 3y ago
    I hate this type of “I read a fact” and applied it wrong comment. Please point me to alabamas vast wine country or nuts or avacados. Just because Alabama theoretically has potential doesn’t mean it has everything California does.
    - twisteriffic 3y ago
      > Just because Alabama theoretically has potential doesn’t mean it has everything California does. No one was saying that other than you.
    - enriquec 3y ago
      I hate this type of "wrong" comment. Alabama obviously produces a ton of crops as do most of the states. After googling for 2 seconds, I even found Alabama is 2nd in the country as far as peanut production.
    - drewcoo 3y ago
      Good grief. Alabama Ag is alive and well. Not everything is avocadoes or California nuts. https://farmflavor.com/alabama-agriculture/ https://farmflavor.com/alabama-agriculture/
      - tsunamifury 3y ago
        Sorry I offended Alabamans with facts about differential trade volume…
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        tsunamifury 3y ago
        I can change my mind just fine. It’s just a bit laughable that you’d get so up in arms about something obvious. California trades with Alabama… it’s incredible how offended everyone is here about that… like honestly. Back off and think about this… who is acting rediculiously? You go on this long rant attacking me personally, stereotyping me with laughably bad caricatures, pouring over my history. Buddy. Get a grip. This is all over the statement “California trades with Alabama.” Honestly who is being unhinged and emotionally stunted here. Also you’ve been stalking me across multiple comments on different posts. I think you need to really honestly consider your behavior. It’s unsettling, and inappropriate.
        upvote_test_act 3y ago
        See, that's the only reason I'm being so persistent here: you absolutely did not say "California trades with Alabama." You said something about trade, then you said you enjoy lots of local produce, then you said someone in Alabama "does not." Full stop. That's a statement so sloppily-worded that it's simply factually wrong. You didn't say the person in Alabama "does not enjoy as much local produce", which you maybe meant. If you assumed the audience would understand what you actually meant despite your wording, well then, all the comments taking issue with your statement should be evidence for you that they did not. In response to these comments, instead of attempting to state your point more clearly, you insult your audience's intelligence and double down, acting like what you said was perfectly clear (it wasn't) and we're all just "offended" (we're not). I'm only trying to point out-- because you seem genuinely incredulous at some of the responses you've received-- how much the above communication style makes you sound like a belligerent asshole to anyone with regular human feelings. If you can't see that, I'm afraid you'll continue to have these "I don't get why everyone's got such an attitude, I literally only said x !" moments.
    - sarchertech 3y ago
      I didn’t read a fact. I live about 25 miles from Alabama, and I’m well aware of the local produce I can get.
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- drewcoo 3y ago
  > I live in California and benefit greatly from incredible local produce Without more qualifiers, that misses the point. Most local crops are still big ag varieties. The "local" crops you buy are likely the same ones sold in grocery stores anywhere in the US because so many things are grown in California. But there are some things that can only be grown locally, because they aren't suited to shipping or because they have short shelf lives. And there are lots of varieties that are not on big ag's buy list, so large operations are very unlikely to grow them. Even corn (which you mention) and soybeans need to be certain varieties to be turned into everything from high fructose corn syrup to the "shrimp shapes" made of soy I remember from grade school. They are part of the problem the GP is talking about, not the problem instead . . . Big ag forces out diversity in crops and, frankly, forces a blander palate on the populace, who doesn't know better anymore.
  - upvote_test_act 3y ago
    Please save yourself further effort here-- the person you're replyng to isn't interested in cultivating and improving any kind of accurate mental model of the world.

tsunamifury 3y ago

I live in California and benefit greatly from incredible local produce, but someone in Alabama does not. Trade has allowed everyone to enjoy the best of each region, while giving up some of their own. I’d say the bigger issue is the commodification of corn syrup and reductionism of product for addiction rather than trade itself.

sarchertech 3y ago
Alabama has a long growing season, a ton of arable land and more average rainfall than nearly anywhere in California. Not as warm in winter as California sure, but I’m not sure it’s the best example
- tsunamifury 3y ago
  I hate this type of “I read a fact” and applied it wrong comment. Please point me to alabamas vast wine country or nuts or avacados. Just because Alabama theoretically has potential doesn’t mean it has everything California does.
  - twisteriffic 3y ago
    > Just because Alabama theoretically has potential doesn’t mean it has everything California does. No one was saying that other than you.
  - enriquec 3y ago
    I hate this type of "wrong" comment. Alabama obviously produces a ton of crops as do most of the states. After googling for 2 seconds, I even found Alabama is 2nd in the country as far as peanut production.
  - drewcoo 3y ago
    Good grief. Alabama Ag is alive and well. Not everything is avocadoes or California nuts. https://farmflavor.com/alabama-agriculture/ https://farmflavor.com/alabama-agriculture/
    - tsunamifury 3y ago
      Sorry I offended Alabamans with facts about differential trade volume…
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        tsunamifury 3y ago
        I can change my mind just fine. It’s just a bit laughable that you’d get so up in arms about something obvious. California trades with Alabama… it’s incredible how offended everyone is here about that… like honestly. Back off and think about this… who is acting rediculiously? You go on this long rant attacking me personally, stereotyping me with laughably bad caricatures, pouring over my history. Buddy. Get a grip. This is all over the statement “California trades with Alabama.” Honestly who is being unhinged and emotionally stunted here. Also you’ve been stalking me across multiple comments on different posts. I think you need to really honestly consider your behavior. It’s unsettling, and inappropriate.
        upvote_test_act 3y ago
        See, that's the only reason I'm being so persistent here: you absolutely did not say "California trades with Alabama." You said something about trade, then you said you enjoy lots of local produce, then you said someone in Alabama "does not." Full stop. That's a statement so sloppily-worded that it's simply factually wrong. You didn't say the person in Alabama "does not enjoy as much local produce", which you maybe meant. If you assumed the audience would understand what you actually meant despite your wording, well then, all the comments taking issue with your statement should be evidence for you that they did not. In response to these comments, instead of attempting to state your point more clearly, you insult your audience's intelligence and double down, acting like what you said was perfectly clear (it wasn't) and we're all just "offended" (we're not). I'm only trying to point out-- because you seem genuinely incredulous at some of the responses you've received-- how much the above communication style makes you sound like a belligerent asshole to anyone with regular human feelings. If you can't see that, I'm afraid you'll continue to have these "I don't get why everyone's got such an attitude, I literally only said x !" moments.
  - sarchertech 3y ago
    I didn’t read a fact. I live about 25 miles from Alabama, and I’m well aware of the local produce I can get.
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drewcoo 3y ago
> I live in California and benefit greatly from incredible local produce Without more qualifiers, that misses the point. Most local crops are still big ag varieties. The "local" crops you buy are likely the same ones sold in grocery stores anywhere in the US because so many things are grown in California. But there are some things that can only be grown locally, because they aren't suited to shipping or because they have short shelf lives. And there are lots of varieties that are not on big ag's buy list, so large operations are very unlikely to grow them. Even corn (which you mention) and soybeans need to be certain varieties to be turned into everything from high fructose corn syrup to the "shrimp shapes" made of soy I remember from grade school. They are part of the problem the GP is talking about, not the problem instead . . . Big ag forces out diversity in crops and, frankly, forces a blander palate on the populace, who doesn't know better anymore.
- upvote_test_act 3y ago
  Please save yourself further effort here-- the person you're replyng to isn't interested in cultivating and improving any kind of accurate mental model of the world.