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The irony of banning the phrase, "From the river to the sea" is that in almost every Israeli school, there are maps on the wall that show Israel extending from

The irony of banning the phrase, "From the river to the sea" is that in almost every Israeli school, there are maps on the wall that show Israel extending from the river to the sea.[0] Greater Israel, extending from the river to the sea, with the Palestinians as stateless people with no rights, is a de facto reality, and has been for 56 years now. 0. This is a typical map. The only indication that there is any Palestinian territory at all is that the tiny "Area A" regions are in a different color. East Jerusalem and the vast majority of the West Bank are simply shown as belonging to Israel. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9fb3beb756529713386ccf4500f61b98-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9fb3beb756529713386cc...

mgraczyk 3y ago
That's bad too
drawkward 3y ago
Furthermore, a soverign Israel "from the river to the sea" was a founding tenet of Israel's Likud party, of which Netanyahu is a member. It is no longer an explicit goal of Likud.
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  It's a principle of the ruling coalition (of which Likud is the leading party), and Netanyahu has repeatedly stated that he will never allow any Palestinian state between the river and the sea.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  Furthermore, the Israeli flag itself is the Star of David (representing Israeli land) between two blue lines which are the river and the sea. It has always been Israel’s slogan and aim, “from the river to the sea”.
  - lovelyviking 3y ago
    Can you as well describe us how logo of PLO looks today ? You can find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat...
    - Aerbil313 3y ago
      It apparently does include the map of Palestine pre-Israel. This makes sense, in the very same way as the current Palestine protesters' slogan 'from the river to the sea', it's a reaction to the illegal settlement (which still has the same slogan based on their religion) and expresses the desire for liberation. From the original 1977 manifesto of the current Likud party[1]: > The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. Ever heard of Nakba[2]? History of Palestine, how everyone was living peacefully under Ottoman rule and the current state of apartheid, that is, children's parks fenced and locked, keys given to Jewish mothers[3]? The civilian body count that has now exceeded 25 thousand, in a country with a median age of 19[4]? 1: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform... , also referenced in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea 2: https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/ https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/ 3: See with your own eyes, hear directly from the mouth of children: https://youtu.be/ksnLom8OD9E?si=aYvcLqcLQK960fbx https://youtu.be/ksnLom8OD9E?si=aYvcLqcLQK960fbx 4: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/state-of-palestine-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/state-of-palestin...
      - lovelyviking 3y ago
        > It apparently does include the map of Palestine pre-Israel. This makes sense, in the very same way as the current Palestine protesters' slogan 'from the river to the sea'… Makes sense ? Well, there is some problem with the sense of it. PLO (and supposedly it’s logo) was created in 1964 when Israel pretty much existed. But of course it makes sense if you wish the destruction of Israel and jewish population of it …same way as the current slogan 'from the river to the sea'.
  - lovelyviking 3y ago
    >Furthermore, the Israeli flag itself is the Star of David (representing Israeli land) between two blue lines which are the river and the sea. It has always been Israel’s slogan and aim, “from the river to the sea”. This is completely incorrect. Wikipedia: “The blue stripes are intended to symbolize the stripes on a tallit, the traditional Jewish prayer shawl. The Star of David is a widely acknowledged symbol of the Jewish people and of Judaism. In Judaism, the color blue symbolises God's glory, purity and gevurah (God's severity).[19][20] The White field represents Chesed (Divine Benevolence).[18]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel#:~:text=It%20symbolizes%20God%27s%20Glory%2C%20purity,Jewish%20people%20and%20of%20Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel#:~:text=It%20sy....
- lovelyviking 3y ago
  Can you as well describe and remind us how logo of PLO looks today ? You can find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat...
  - drawkward 3y ago
    The argument at hand is whether or not the phrase "from the river to the sea" is a de facto statement of support for Jewish genocide. What is your point?
    - lovelyviking 3y ago
      > What is your point? To add essential information to yours when you’ve brought Likud and B.Netaniahu and forgot to mention M. Abbas leader of PLO with logo clearly showing map “from the river to the sea” without any place for Israel on it. Perhaps you can state your point clearly now with this information because your point wasn’t clear at all.
  - DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
    The PLO officially recognized the state of Israel over 30 years ago, and its goal is to establish a Palestinian state only in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip. This is in contrast to Israel, which has never officially recognized a Palestinian right to self-determination.
    - lovelyviking 3y ago
      >The PLO officially recognized the state of Israel over 30 years ago. Any document to support this claim? Certainly their logo has not changed. I know it’s hard to change the logo but I during 30 years it should be possible if it is no longer serving their goal.
      - DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
        Yasser Arafat's letter to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of 9 September 1993: > Mr. Prime Minister, > The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments: > The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338. > The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations. > The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event, inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators. > In view of the promise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid. Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant. > Sincerely, > Yasser Arafat, Chairman, The Palestine Liberation Organization This is a very famous letter, by the way. It was sent at the beginning of the Oslo peace process, which was supposed to lead to a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories within a matter of a few years. 30 years later, Israel still occupies the Palestinian territories (and has actually massively expanded its settlements inside those territories), and still has not recognized the Palestinians' right to a sovereign state.
rayiner 3y ago
> with the Palestinians as stateless people with no rights, is a de facto reality, and has been for 56 years now. Remind me, what was it that happened 56 years ago?
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  Israel launched what it said was a preemptive strike [0] against Egypt, destroying virtually the entire Egyptian air force on the ground. Lacking air cover, Egyptian ground forces in the Sinai peninsula retreated, but were destroyed by the Israeli air force on the roads. Not having a clear picture of what was going on [1], the Jordanians and Syrians entered the war on Egypt's side, only to suffer a similar fate as Egypt. Israel ended up conquering the Sinai peninsula, East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. It's hotly debated whether the war really was a preemptive strike to head off an impending Arab invasion, or whether it was a war of aggression by Israel. In any case, as a consequence of the war, millions of Palestinians came under Israeli rule. The Israelis were faced with a conundrum: they wanted to keep the land (especially the West Bank and East Jerusalem), but they didn't want millions more Arab citizens, who would shift the demographic balance, ending Israel as a Jewish state. That's why Israel has kept the Palestinians in limbo for more than half a century. They live under Israeli control, but they aren't Israeli citizens. 0. Israel initially claimed that it had been attacked first, but it soon admitted that it had attacked first. 1. Egyptian propaganda in the first hours claimed that Egypt had scored major victories.
  - tptacek 3y ago
    I don't think it's very hotly debated at all. There seems to be a consensus that whether they were right to be so concerned or not, Israel's motives in preempting Egypt were about security, not territorial expansion. Before the war, Egypt administered Gaza but did not claim it (Palestinians needed something like passports to transit between Gaza and Egypt proper). Jordan was almost kicked out of the Arab League for annexing the West Bank, which it claimed as territory until 1988(!). There's no question that since the war, Israel has abused its position with respect to the West Bank in particular (it dispossessed Gazan settlers during the disengagement, but has tacitly allowed continued settlement in the West Bank). But the history here is complicated and it's important to get it right.
lovelyviking 3y ago
>The irony of banning the phrase, "From the river to the sea" … The irony is to talk about the irony without realising the extreme nature of the phrase “From the river to the sea…” for any of the sides. Someone can as easily adapt the same phrase for calls to remove non-jewish population from the land yet the commentator felt the urge to see the irony in “banning the phrase” (as he put it) without thinking through the outcome of using such phrase in all of it’s dangerous aspects. >every Israeli school, there are maps on the wall that show Israel extending from the river to the sea.[0] The linked map is from post on quora [1] which does not state that. To the question : “What borders does Israel show in maps in school textbooks?” It states the following: “ It really depends on the age. TLDR - the books mostly show area international borders with markings for area A, But don’t shy away from the existence of the P.A. In higher grades, they show the evolution of the borders, and the idea that nothing is really fixed or “promised”. Long answer: I’ve made a small check on books available on my Child’s elementary school online website. …” Notice “ elementary school online website.” while commentator states: “ in almost every Israeli school, there are maps on the wall” Even this one post from only one school speaks about variety of maps presented to children but commentator simply ignores that. Commentator takes 1 of 10 maps posted there. The one for the smallest age and claims “This is a typical map” The real irony though is vivid if one looks at the official logo of PLO here [2] who’s chairman is Mahmoud Abbas. It shows the whole map “from the river to the sea” without any marking for Israel. Commentator criticises Israeli maps for only :“ "Area A" regions are in a different color.” and forgot to mention that PLO does not have any color for Israel in fact. The logo is currently on the official PLO web site. > Palestinians as stateless people with no rights, is a de facto reality, and has been for 56 years now. The third irony is mentioning “56 years” and forgetting to mention that Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 [2] pretty much to the border before 1967. [1] https://www.quora.com/What-borders-does-Israel-show-in-maps-in-school-textbooks https://www.quora.com/What-borders-does-Israel-show-in-maps-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  > Even this one post from only one school speaks about variety of maps presented to children but commentator simply ignores that. Almost every map in that Quora answer shows Israel extending from the river to the sea, and shows the Palestinian territories as belonging to Israel. > Commentator takes 1 of 10 maps posted there. As I said, almost every map in that post shows roughly the same thing. There was actually a dispute between the Tel Aviv school system and the national government recently, because Tel Aviv schools wanted to mark the Palestinian territories on school maps, which the national government tried to forbid. It's standard in Israel to depict everything between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean sea as part of Israel. > PLO does not have any color for Israel in fact. The logo is currently on the official PLO web site. The PLO recognizes the state of Israel, and has done so for more than 30 years. Israel does not recognize the state of Palestine, and the Israeli government says that it will never allow the creation of a Palestinian state. You're making a big deal about the PLO logo, but it's just a historic logo that hasn't been changed, and it does not reflect the PLO's position. The PLO recognizes Israel and only wants the internationally recognized Palestinian territories.
anone9462 3y ago
> Greater Israel, extending from the river to the sea, with the Palestinians as stateless people with no rights, is a de facto reality, and has been for 56 years now. "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" in a nutshell
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  The "stupid game" was the British Empire gifting Palestine to a group of people who didn't even live there?

mgraczyk 3y ago

That's bad too

drawkward 3y ago

Furthermore, a soverign Israel "from the river to the sea" was a founding tenet of Israel's Likud party, of which Netanyahu is a member. It is no longer an explicit goal of Likud.

DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
It's a principle of the ruling coalition (of which Likud is the leading party), and Netanyahu has repeatedly stated that he will never allow any Palestinian state between the river and the sea.
Aerbil313 3y ago
Furthermore, the Israeli flag itself is the Star of David (representing Israeli land) between two blue lines which are the river and the sea. It has always been Israel’s slogan and aim, “from the river to the sea”.
- lovelyviking 3y ago
  Can you as well describe us how logo of PLO looks today ? You can find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat...
  - Aerbil313 3y ago
    It apparently does include the map of Palestine pre-Israel. This makes sense, in the very same way as the current Palestine protesters' slogan 'from the river to the sea', it's a reaction to the illegal settlement (which still has the same slogan based on their religion) and expresses the desire for liberation. From the original 1977 manifesto of the current Likud party[1]: > The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. Ever heard of Nakba[2]? History of Palestine, how everyone was living peacefully under Ottoman rule and the current state of apartheid, that is, children's parks fenced and locked, keys given to Jewish mothers[3]? The civilian body count that has now exceeded 25 thousand, in a country with a median age of 19[4]? 1: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform... , also referenced in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea 2: https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/ https://www.un.org/unispal/about-the-nakba/ 3: See with your own eyes, hear directly from the mouth of children: https://youtu.be/ksnLom8OD9E?si=aYvcLqcLQK960fbx https://youtu.be/ksnLom8OD9E?si=aYvcLqcLQK960fbx 4: https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/state-of-palestine-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/state-of-palestin...
    - lovelyviking 3y ago
      > It apparently does include the map of Palestine pre-Israel. This makes sense, in the very same way as the current Palestine protesters' slogan 'from the river to the sea'… Makes sense ? Well, there is some problem with the sense of it. PLO (and supposedly it’s logo) was created in 1964 when Israel pretty much existed. But of course it makes sense if you wish the destruction of Israel and jewish population of it …same way as the current slogan 'from the river to the sea'.
- lovelyviking 3y ago
  >Furthermore, the Israeli flag itself is the Star of David (representing Israeli land) between two blue lines which are the river and the sea. It has always been Israel’s slogan and aim, “from the river to the sea”. This is completely incorrect. Wikipedia: “The blue stripes are intended to symbolize the stripes on a tallit, the traditional Jewish prayer shawl. The Star of David is a widely acknowledged symbol of the Jewish people and of Judaism. In Judaism, the color blue symbolises God's glory, purity and gevurah (God's severity).[19][20] The White field represents Chesed (Divine Benevolence).[18]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel#:~:text=It%20symbolizes%20God%27s%20Glory%2C%20purity,Jewish%20people%20and%20of%20Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel#:~:text=It%20sy....
lovelyviking 3y ago
Can you as well describe and remind us how logo of PLO looks today ? You can find it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat...
- drawkward 3y ago
  The argument at hand is whether or not the phrase "from the river to the sea" is a de facto statement of support for Jewish genocide. What is your point?
  - lovelyviking 3y ago
    > What is your point? To add essential information to yours when you’ve brought Likud and B.Netaniahu and forgot to mention M. Abbas leader of PLO with logo clearly showing map “from the river to the sea” without any place for Israel on it. Perhaps you can state your point clearly now with this information because your point wasn’t clear at all.
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  The PLO officially recognized the state of Israel over 30 years ago, and its goal is to establish a Palestinian state only in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip. This is in contrast to Israel, which has never officially recognized a Palestinian right to self-determination.
  - lovelyviking 3y ago
    >The PLO officially recognized the state of Israel over 30 years ago. Any document to support this claim? Certainly their logo has not changed. I know it’s hard to change the logo but I during 30 years it should be possible if it is no longer serving their goal.
    - DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
      Yasser Arafat's letter to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of 9 September 1993: > Mr. Prime Minister, > The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments: > The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338. > The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations. > The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event, inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators. > In view of the promise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid. Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant. > Sincerely, > Yasser Arafat, Chairman, The Palestine Liberation Organization This is a very famous letter, by the way. It was sent at the beginning of the Oslo peace process, which was supposed to lead to a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories within a matter of a few years. 30 years later, Israel still occupies the Palestinian territories (and has actually massively expanded its settlements inside those territories), and still has not recognized the Palestinians' right to a sovereign state.

rayiner 3y ago

> with the Palestinians as stateless people with no rights, is a de facto reality, and has been for 56 years now. Remind me, what was it that happened 56 years ago?

DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
Israel launched what it said was a preemptive strike [0] against Egypt, destroying virtually the entire Egyptian air force on the ground. Lacking air cover, Egyptian ground forces in the Sinai peninsula retreated, but were destroyed by the Israeli air force on the roads. Not having a clear picture of what was going on [1], the Jordanians and Syrians entered the war on Egypt's side, only to suffer a similar fate as Egypt. Israel ended up conquering the Sinai peninsula, East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. It's hotly debated whether the war really was a preemptive strike to head off an impending Arab invasion, or whether it was a war of aggression by Israel. In any case, as a consequence of the war, millions of Palestinians came under Israeli rule. The Israelis were faced with a conundrum: they wanted to keep the land (especially the West Bank and East Jerusalem), but they didn't want millions more Arab citizens, who would shift the demographic balance, ending Israel as a Jewish state. That's why Israel has kept the Palestinians in limbo for more than half a century. They live under Israeli control, but they aren't Israeli citizens. 0. Israel initially claimed that it had been attacked first, but it soon admitted that it had attacked first. 1. Egyptian propaganda in the first hours claimed that Egypt had scored major victories.
- tptacek 3y ago
  I don't think it's very hotly debated at all. There seems to be a consensus that whether they were right to be so concerned or not, Israel's motives in preempting Egypt were about security, not territorial expansion. Before the war, Egypt administered Gaza but did not claim it (Palestinians needed something like passports to transit between Gaza and Egypt proper). Jordan was almost kicked out of the Arab League for annexing the West Bank, which it claimed as territory until 1988(!). There's no question that since the war, Israel has abused its position with respect to the West Bank in particular (it dispossessed Gazan settlers during the disengagement, but has tacitly allowed continued settlement in the West Bank). But the history here is complicated and it's important to get it right.

lovelyviking 3y ago

>The irony of banning the phrase, "From the river to the sea" … The irony is to talk about the irony without realising the extreme nature of the phrase “From the river to the sea…” for any of the sides. Someone can as easily adapt the same phrase for calls to remove non-jewish population from the land yet the commentator felt the urge to see the irony in “banning the phrase” (as he put it) without thinking through the outcome of using such phrase in all of it’s dangerous aspects. >every Israeli school, there are maps on the wall that show Israel extending from the river to the sea.[0] The linked map is from post on quora [1] which does not state that. To the question : “What borders does Israel show in maps in school textbooks?” It states the following: “ It really depends on the age. TLDR - the books mostly show area international borders with markings for area A, But don’t shy away from the existence of the P.A. In higher grades, they show the evolution of the borders, and the idea that nothing is really fixed or “promised”. Long answer: I’ve made a small check on books available on my Child’s elementary school online website. …” Notice “ elementary school online website.” while commentator states: “ in almost every Israeli school, there are maps on the wall” Even this one post from only one school speaks about variety of maps presented to children but commentator simply ignores that. Commentator takes 1 of 10 maps posted there. The one for the smallest age and claims “This is a typical map” The real irony though is vivid if one looks at the official logo of PLO here [2] who’s chairman is Mahmoud Abbas. It shows the whole map “from the river to the sea” without any marking for Israel. Commentator criticises Israeli maps for only :“ "Area A" regions are in a different color.” and forgot to mention that PLO does not have any color for Israel in fact. The logo is currently on the official PLO web site. > Palestinians as stateless people with no rights, is a de facto reality, and has been for 56 years now. The third irony is mentioning “56 years” and forgetting to mention that Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 [2] pretty much to the border before 1967. [1] https://www.quora.com/What-borders-does-Israel-show-in-maps-in-school-textbooks https://www.quora.com/What-borders-does-Israel-show-in-maps-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz...

DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
> Even this one post from only one school speaks about variety of maps presented to children but commentator simply ignores that. Almost every map in that Quora answer shows Israel extending from the river to the sea, and shows the Palestinian territories as belonging to Israel. > Commentator takes 1 of 10 maps posted there. As I said, almost every map in that post shows roughly the same thing. There was actually a dispute between the Tel Aviv school system and the national government recently, because Tel Aviv schools wanted to mark the Palestinian territories on school maps, which the national government tried to forbid. It's standard in Israel to depict everything between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean sea as part of Israel. > PLO does not have any color for Israel in fact. The logo is currently on the official PLO web site. The PLO recognizes the state of Israel, and has done so for more than 30 years. Israel does not recognize the state of Palestine, and the Israeli government says that it will never allow the creation of a Palestinian state. You're making a big deal about the PLO logo, but it's just a historic logo that hasn't been changed, and it does not reflect the PLO's position. The PLO recognizes Israel and only wants the internationally recognized Palestinian territories.

anone9462 3y ago

> Greater Israel, extending from the river to the sea, with the Palestinians as stateless people with no rights, is a de facto reality, and has been for 56 years now. "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" in a nutshell

DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
The "stupid game" was the British Empire gifting Palestine to a group of people who didn't even live there?