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The more we learn about this person the more we understand how dubious he is. I am not entirely sure what the end game is for those protecting and promoting him

The more we learn about this person the more we understand how dubious he is. I am not entirely sure what the end game is for those protecting and promoting him. He’s clearly not steve jobs. Behaves and talks more like a cheap imitation.

jstummbillig 3y ago
Is the idea that Steve Jobs never strong armed anyone?
- gumballindie 3y ago
  The idea is that steve jobs built something. And those promoting altman try to somehow make him look like steve. But altman built nothing, has no plan whatsoever, and is an impostor. I think even he knows it, which explains his attempts at making something stick - be it dodgy crypto, corrupt business deals, an ai that fails to live to its hype, and so on.
- dclowd9901 3y ago
  I’m with you. I think the point here is that he _is_ like Steve Jobs, and everything that goes with that comparison.
- queuebert 3y ago
  No, but he sure stinky feeted quite a few.
CPLX 3y ago
His values are completely aligned with the ruling class. Billionaires need on the ground types like him to actually do stuff. It’s hard to find people who are young and ambitious and effective, and yet fundamentally and ruthlessly aligned with corporate hegemony. And I suspect he must be spectacularly good at flattery.
- fvbcds 3y ago
  Remember to use code words next time, this is getting flagged.
- alternative_a 3y ago
  > [elite’s HR issues] We share this thought. My pet theory regarding the recruitment efforts of this class: two broad fronts, one to drive the herd and the other to pick candidates. The first front permeates our head space in form of content in the full spectrum of the bandwidth of this class: entertainment, news, organizations. Here the message is insistently that “Only suckers play straight”, “crime pays”, “winners and losers”. This is a consistent message. The second front is more selective and here I am speculating (unlike the former which one gets to experience first hand, whether one likes it or not.) Here I suspect a more ‘direct’ sales pitch is used, and likely references the former. Imagine you are a bright young thing from ‘not money’ raised in that “cultural” environment just mentioned. Now you open your favorite “journal of record”. You read barely disguised lies, note how these lies lead designated demographics by the NOSE with them not even aware of this fact, and finally your mentor has a conversation with you: “Do you really think that the general population, these same people we were discussing being led by the nose with lies, are actually capable of self-governance and should have a say in “important” matters?”
nvy 3y ago
Steve Jobs was a massive piece of shit; not a good figure to worship.
- chongli 3y ago
  Steve Jobs was a human being. No human should be worshipped. Like all human beings, he wasn't a one-dimensional character from a crappy sitcom. He had negative and positive traits. Whatever one feels about him personally, it is absolutely a mistake to dismiss him. What he achieved -- multiple times -- puts him in extremely rarified air in the business world.
  - nvy 3y ago
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    - Clent 3y ago
      Knowing which giants shoulders to stand on is crucial. Steering those giants towards a unified vision is rarer. Recognizing someone that does it multiple times is the very definition of merit.
  - asfgkadnhiok 3y ago
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    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Being involved in a some impressive things doesn't excuse It doesn’t. It also doesn’t negate those accomplishments. The world is a better and a worse place for him. This is humanity.
      - asfgkadnhiok 3y ago

jstummbillig 3y ago

Is the idea that Steve Jobs never strong armed anyone?

gumballindie 3y ago
The idea is that steve jobs built something. And those promoting altman try to somehow make him look like steve. But altman built nothing, has no plan whatsoever, and is an impostor. I think even he knows it, which explains his attempts at making something stick - be it dodgy crypto, corrupt business deals, an ai that fails to live to its hype, and so on.
dclowd9901 3y ago
I’m with you. I think the point here is that he _is_ like Steve Jobs, and everything that goes with that comparison.
queuebert 3y ago
No, but he sure stinky feeted quite a few.

CPLX 3y ago

His values are completely aligned with the ruling class. Billionaires need on the ground types like him to actually do stuff. It’s hard to find people who are young and ambitious and effective, and yet fundamentally and ruthlessly aligned with corporate hegemony. And I suspect he must be spectacularly good at flattery.

fvbcds 3y ago
Remember to use code words next time, this is getting flagged.
alternative_a 3y ago
> [elite’s HR issues] We share this thought. My pet theory regarding the recruitment efforts of this class: two broad fronts, one to drive the herd and the other to pick candidates. The first front permeates our head space in form of content in the full spectrum of the bandwidth of this class: entertainment, news, organizations. Here the message is insistently that “Only suckers play straight”, “crime pays”, “winners and losers”. This is a consistent message. The second front is more selective and here I am speculating (unlike the former which one gets to experience first hand, whether one likes it or not.) Here I suspect a more ‘direct’ sales pitch is used, and likely references the former. Imagine you are a bright young thing from ‘not money’ raised in that “cultural” environment just mentioned. Now you open your favorite “journal of record”. You read barely disguised lies, note how these lies lead designated demographics by the NOSE with them not even aware of this fact, and finally your mentor has a conversation with you: “Do you really think that the general population, these same people we were discussing being led by the nose with lies, are actually capable of self-governance and should have a say in “important” matters?”

nvy 3y ago

Steve Jobs was a massive piece of shit; not a good figure to worship.

chongli 3y ago
Steve Jobs was a human being. No human should be worshipped. Like all human beings, he wasn't a one-dimensional character from a crappy sitcom. He had negative and positive traits. Whatever one feels about him personally, it is absolutely a mistake to dismiss him. What he achieved -- multiple times -- puts him in extremely rarified air in the business world.
- nvy 3y ago
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  - deleted 3y ago
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  - Clent 3y ago
    Knowing which giants shoulders to stand on is crucial. Steering those giants towards a unified vision is rarer. Recognizing someone that does it multiple times is the very definition of merit.
- asfgkadnhiok 3y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Being involved in a some impressive things doesn't excuse It doesn’t. It also doesn’t negate those accomplishments. The world is a better and a worse place for him. This is humanity.
    - asfgkadnhiok 3y ago