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Because if we’re willing to export propaganda and unwilling to receive any in return then we’re a nation of hypocrites.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> if we’re willing to export propaganda and unwilling to receive any in return then we’re a nation of hypocrites To the degree war and competition are hypocritical, sure. All you’ve done is expanded the definition of hypocrisy to meaninglessness.
- jumpman500 3y ago
  There’s a culture war, not a real war with China. If we censor the CCP just like they censor us then we are just as authoritarian as them.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > There’s a culture war, not a real war with China China’s a geopolitical adversary. We didn’t need to go to war with the Soviets for the Cold War to be real. (Also what on earth is a “culture war” in geopolitical terms?) > If we censor the CCP just like they censor us then we are just as authoritarian as them Only to someone with no sense of scale. Again, you can do that. But you expand the definition of authoritarianism to cover just about any human activity.
    - gettodachoppa 3y ago
      >Only to someone with no sense of scale. Again, you can do that. But you expand the definition of authoritarianism to cover just about any human activity. So start referring to America as "softer authoritarians than China" instead of this charade you put up now. Then people would be less miffed by your hypocrisy. Everything political that comes out of America is such self-serving slop that I don't understand how anyone above age 30 buys it. When mass-censorship and consensus manufacturing is enacted on mainstream social media (oh sorry, when the US does it it's just "the algorithm" and "alignment", not a mean evil dictatorship), when Americans are forbidden from having a chance to vote for their preferred president in Colorado, when you wage a proxy war against Russia to the last Ukrainian man, when you get Ukraine to ban all opposition political parties, when you bomb countries for decades in the Middle East, every time it's done in the name of democracy.
  - beeboobaa 3y ago
    What a ridiculous take. Do you also want to be worked to death in a sweatshop because banning it would be too authoritarian?
    - jumpman500 3y ago
      No because I believe in workers rights… and freedom of speech. Civil rights are important democratic principles.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    That does not follow at all.
  - 15457345234 3y ago
    Unfortunately a lot of 'special interests' are trying as hard as they can to turn that culture war into a genuine hot war - which I don't feel anyone has any real appetite or need for - and all/most of the media seem to be playing along. It's a bit exhausting and frankly, pathetic, to watch people literally talking it into existence out of thin air.
blitz_skull 3y ago
We should accept foreign propaganda due to… hypocrisy? What does that even mean?
- geraldhh 3y ago
  citizens rejecting foreign propaganda is a solid display of strength
  - brookst 3y ago
    Statistics and large numbers say that citizens will not do anything uniformly. It would be nice if people universally rejected smoking, but there are social/economic benefits to banning it because statistics.
- jumpman500 3y ago
  Due to freedom of speech being a core value of democracy and censorship/information control being a core value of authoritarianism.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Due to freedom of speech being a core value of democracy Freedom of speech != freedom to operate a company or platform.
    - jumpman500 3y ago
      Fair point. Banning a social media platform because of topics discussed though seems like a dangerous precedent to set. Seems like a free speech issue to me though. I think most people are aware of the CCP influence on TikTok. I hope reports like these make people question if they’re being manipulated on the platform. People should always question the validity of the media they consume.
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ycombinatrix 3y ago
why would that be hypocritical?
avalys 3y ago
This is nonsense. In war, is it hypocritical to bomb the enemy but not your own side? Of course not. Propaganda is a weapon, you deploy weapons against your enemies and you protect your own people from your enemy's weapons. Foreign adversaries do not have free speech rights in the United States.
- DirkH 3y ago
  We aren't at war. Propaganda in peacetime and bombs at any time are so disanalogous it is comical. You win a war of ideas by presenting better ideas, not by censoring bad ideas.

> if we’re willing to export propaganda and unwilling to receive any in return then we’re a nation of hypocrites To the degree war and competition are hypocritical, sure. All you’ve done is expanded the definition of hypocrisy to meaninglessness.

jumpman500 3y ago
There’s a culture war, not a real war with China. If we censor the CCP just like they censor us then we are just as authoritarian as them.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > There’s a culture war, not a real war with China China’s a geopolitical adversary. We didn’t need to go to war with the Soviets for the Cold War to be real. (Also what on earth is a “culture war” in geopolitical terms?) > If we censor the CCP just like they censor us then we are just as authoritarian as them Only to someone with no sense of scale. Again, you can do that. But you expand the definition of authoritarianism to cover just about any human activity.
  - gettodachoppa 3y ago
    >Only to someone with no sense of scale. Again, you can do that. But you expand the definition of authoritarianism to cover just about any human activity. So start referring to America as "softer authoritarians than China" instead of this charade you put up now. Then people would be less miffed by your hypocrisy. Everything political that comes out of America is such self-serving slop that I don't understand how anyone above age 30 buys it. When mass-censorship and consensus manufacturing is enacted on mainstream social media (oh sorry, when the US does it it's just "the algorithm" and "alignment", not a mean evil dictatorship), when Americans are forbidden from having a chance to vote for their preferred president in Colorado, when you wage a proxy war against Russia to the last Ukrainian man, when you get Ukraine to ban all opposition political parties, when you bomb countries for decades in the Middle East, every time it's done in the name of democracy.
- beeboobaa 3y ago
  What a ridiculous take. Do you also want to be worked to death in a sweatshop because banning it would be too authoritarian?
  - jumpman500 3y ago
    No because I believe in workers rights… and freedom of speech. Civil rights are important democratic principles.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  That does not follow at all.
- 15457345234 3y ago
  Unfortunately a lot of 'special interests' are trying as hard as they can to turn that culture war into a genuine hot war - which I don't feel anyone has any real appetite or need for - and all/most of the media seem to be playing along. It's a bit exhausting and frankly, pathetic, to watch people literally talking it into existence out of thin air.

blitz_skull 3y ago

We should accept foreign propaganda due to… hypocrisy? What does that even mean?

geraldhh 3y ago
citizens rejecting foreign propaganda is a solid display of strength
- brookst 3y ago
  Statistics and large numbers say that citizens will not do anything uniformly. It would be nice if people universally rejected smoking, but there are social/economic benefits to banning it because statistics.
jumpman500 3y ago
Due to freedom of speech being a core value of democracy and censorship/information control being a core value of authoritarianism.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Due to freedom of speech being a core value of democracy Freedom of speech != freedom to operate a company or platform.
  - jumpman500 3y ago
    Fair point. Banning a social media platform because of topics discussed though seems like a dangerous precedent to set. Seems like a free speech issue to me though. I think most people are aware of the CCP influence on TikTok. I hope reports like these make people question if they’re being manipulated on the platform. People should always question the validity of the media they consume.
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ycombinatrix 3y ago

why would that be hypocritical?

avalys 3y ago

This is nonsense. In war, is it hypocritical to bomb the enemy but not your own side? Of course not. Propaganda is a weapon, you deploy weapons against your enemies and you protect your own people from your enemy's weapons. Foreign adversaries do not have free speech rights in the United States.

DirkH 3y ago
We aren't at war. Propaganda in peacetime and bombs at any time are so disanalogous it is comical. You win a war of ideas by presenting better ideas, not by censoring bad ideas.