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(Views are my own and unrelated to my employer) This shouldn't surprise anyone. Tiktok has made it clear many times over that while they pretend to be in the c

(Views are my own and unrelated to my employer) This shouldn't surprise anyone. Tiktok has made it clear many times over that while they pretend to be in the clear and un affiliated with the ccp they are a direct arm of the ccp that uses tiktok as an arm to influence global politics. Why this stuff has not been banned as a national security threat is beyond me.

jumpman500 3y ago
Because if we’re willing to export propaganda and unwilling to receive any in return then we’re a nation of hypocrites.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > if we’re willing to export propaganda and unwilling to receive any in return then we’re a nation of hypocrites To the degree war and competition are hypocritical, sure. All you’ve done is expanded the definition of hypocrisy to meaninglessness.
  - jumpman500 3y ago
    There’s a culture war, not a real war with China. If we censor the CCP just like they censor us then we are just as authoritarian as them.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > There’s a culture war, not a real war with China China’s a geopolitical adversary. We didn’t need to go to war with the Soviets for the Cold War to be real. (Also what on earth is a “culture war” in geopolitical terms?) > If we censor the CCP just like they censor us then we are just as authoritarian as them Only to someone with no sense of scale. Again, you can do that. But you expand the definition of authoritarianism to cover just about any human activity.
      - gettodachoppa 3y ago
        >Only to someone with no sense of scale. Again, you can do that. But you expand the definition of authoritarianism to cover just about any human activity. So start referring to America as "softer authoritarians than China" instead of this charade you put up now. Then people would be less miffed by your hypocrisy. Everything political that comes out of America is such self-serving slop that I don't understand how anyone above age 30 buys it. When mass-censorship and consensus manufacturing is enacted on mainstream social media (oh sorry, when the US does it it's just "the algorithm" and "alignment", not a mean evil dictatorship), when Americans are forbidden from having a chance to vote for their preferred president in Colorado, when you wage a proxy war against Russia to the last Ukrainian man, when you get Ukraine to ban all opposition political parties, when you bomb countries for decades in the Middle East, every time it's done in the name of democracy.
    - beeboobaa 3y ago
      What a ridiculous take. Do you also want to be worked to death in a sweatshop because banning it would be too authoritarian?
      - jumpman500 3y ago
        No because I believe in workers rights… and freedom of speech. Civil rights are important democratic principles.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      That does not follow at all.
    - 15457345234 3y ago
      Unfortunately a lot of 'special interests' are trying as hard as they can to turn that culture war into a genuine hot war - which I don't feel anyone has any real appetite or need for - and all/most of the media seem to be playing along. It's a bit exhausting and frankly, pathetic, to watch people literally talking it into existence out of thin air.
- blitz_skull 3y ago
  We should accept foreign propaganda due to… hypocrisy? What does that even mean?
  - geraldhh 3y ago
    citizens rejecting foreign propaganda is a solid display of strength
    - brookst 3y ago
      Statistics and large numbers say that citizens will not do anything uniformly. It would be nice if people universally rejected smoking, but there are social/economic benefits to banning it because statistics.
  - jumpman500 3y ago
    Due to freedom of speech being a core value of democracy and censorship/information control being a core value of authoritarianism.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Due to freedom of speech being a core value of democracy Freedom of speech != freedom to operate a company or platform.
      - jumpman500 3y ago
        Fair point. Banning a social media platform because of topics discussed though seems like a dangerous precedent to set. Seems like a free speech issue to me though. I think most people are aware of the CCP influence on TikTok. I hope reports like these make people question if they’re being manipulated on the platform. People should always question the validity of the media they consume.
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- ycombinatrix 3y ago
  why would that be hypocritical?
- avalys 3y ago
  This is nonsense. In war, is it hypocritical to bomb the enemy but not your own side? Of course not. Propaganda is a weapon, you deploy weapons against your enemies and you protect your own people from your enemy's weapons. Foreign adversaries do not have free speech rights in the United States.
  - DirkH 3y ago
    We aren't at war. Propaganda in peacetime and bombs at any time are so disanalogous it is comical. You win a war of ideas by presenting better ideas, not by censoring bad ideas.
nebula8804 3y ago
I hope it does not get banned. Even if they try to ban it, they have to then contend with all the people building their careers on it/consider it a essential part of their lives. Might be enough to motivate Millenials/Gen Z to cone out to the ballot box and remove anyone who was responsible. (This is probably why they havent banned it yet) While I don't use TikTok, its been fascinating watching the US lose its marbles over the idea that there is an avenue for mass dissemination of ideas that they cannot control. It really became real when the Pro-Palestine content translated into mass protests all across the west. Israel really dug themselves into a hole and I sometimes wonder, if this trend continues, what are they going to do once the Boomers die and down the road we get a Gen-Z president? Sure you have state sponsored channels like RT that try to provide alternative views but they dont have anywhere near the eyeballs TikTok gets and they can be easily discredited. The last time the US had a major competitor was in the 80s. Finally someone has come along that is challenging the US on many levels, not just social media apps. I had always wished Europe to get their act together and serve as a democratic counter balance to the US but these days they are not even in the conversation. But at least China is trying despite the fact that they are less than savory. We will continue to have access to American social media apps pushing their nonsense and acting like they provide freedom while quietly suppressing content they don't like (ex. anti-Israel). Meta/Youtube/X platforms are not going away. I love the fact that the mass market has some choice now.
- lpcvoid 3y ago
  RT doesn't provide "alternative views". It's pure, unfiltered propaganda. Can you honestly navigate there, read something and then claim "yeah, just another viewpoint"?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    It's wild to believe that if you just consume the worst information diarrhea from "both sides" that you'll have a nice holy unbiased universe-brain view. It's even more wild to see this fallacious nonsense here.
    - 3y ago

jumpman500 3y ago

Because if we’re willing to export propaganda and unwilling to receive any in return then we’re a nation of hypocrites.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> if we’re willing to export propaganda and unwilling to receive any in return then we’re a nation of hypocrites To the degree war and competition are hypocritical, sure. All you’ve done is expanded the definition of hypocrisy to meaninglessness.
- jumpman500 3y ago
  There’s a culture war, not a real war with China. If we censor the CCP just like they censor us then we are just as authoritarian as them.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > There’s a culture war, not a real war with China China’s a geopolitical adversary. We didn’t need to go to war with the Soviets for the Cold War to be real. (Also what on earth is a “culture war” in geopolitical terms?) > If we censor the CCP just like they censor us then we are just as authoritarian as them Only to someone with no sense of scale. Again, you can do that. But you expand the definition of authoritarianism to cover just about any human activity.
    - gettodachoppa 3y ago
      >Only to someone with no sense of scale. Again, you can do that. But you expand the definition of authoritarianism to cover just about any human activity. So start referring to America as "softer authoritarians than China" instead of this charade you put up now. Then people would be less miffed by your hypocrisy. Everything political that comes out of America is such self-serving slop that I don't understand how anyone above age 30 buys it. When mass-censorship and consensus manufacturing is enacted on mainstream social media (oh sorry, when the US does it it's just "the algorithm" and "alignment", not a mean evil dictatorship), when Americans are forbidden from having a chance to vote for their preferred president in Colorado, when you wage a proxy war against Russia to the last Ukrainian man, when you get Ukraine to ban all opposition political parties, when you bomb countries for decades in the Middle East, every time it's done in the name of democracy.
  - beeboobaa 3y ago
    What a ridiculous take. Do you also want to be worked to death in a sweatshop because banning it would be too authoritarian?
    - jumpman500 3y ago
      No because I believe in workers rights… and freedom of speech. Civil rights are important democratic principles.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    That does not follow at all.
  - 15457345234 3y ago
    Unfortunately a lot of 'special interests' are trying as hard as they can to turn that culture war into a genuine hot war - which I don't feel anyone has any real appetite or need for - and all/most of the media seem to be playing along. It's a bit exhausting and frankly, pathetic, to watch people literally talking it into existence out of thin air.
blitz_skull 3y ago
We should accept foreign propaganda due to… hypocrisy? What does that even mean?
- geraldhh 3y ago
  citizens rejecting foreign propaganda is a solid display of strength
  - brookst 3y ago
    Statistics and large numbers say that citizens will not do anything uniformly. It would be nice if people universally rejected smoking, but there are social/economic benefits to banning it because statistics.
- jumpman500 3y ago
  Due to freedom of speech being a core value of democracy and censorship/information control being a core value of authoritarianism.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Due to freedom of speech being a core value of democracy Freedom of speech != freedom to operate a company or platform.
    - jumpman500 3y ago
      Fair point. Banning a social media platform because of topics discussed though seems like a dangerous precedent to set. Seems like a free speech issue to me though. I think most people are aware of the CCP influence on TikTok. I hope reports like these make people question if they’re being manipulated on the platform. People should always question the validity of the media they consume.
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ycombinatrix 3y ago
why would that be hypocritical?
avalys 3y ago
This is nonsense. In war, is it hypocritical to bomb the enemy but not your own side? Of course not. Propaganda is a weapon, you deploy weapons against your enemies and you protect your own people from your enemy's weapons. Foreign adversaries do not have free speech rights in the United States.
- DirkH 3y ago
  We aren't at war. Propaganda in peacetime and bombs at any time are so disanalogous it is comical. You win a war of ideas by presenting better ideas, not by censoring bad ideas.

nebula8804 3y ago

I hope it does not get banned. Even if they try to ban it, they have to then contend with all the people building their careers on it/consider it a essential part of their lives. Might be enough to motivate Millenials/Gen Z to cone out to the ballot box and remove anyone who was responsible. (This is probably why they havent banned it yet) While I don't use TikTok, its been fascinating watching the US lose its marbles over the idea that there is an avenue for mass dissemination of ideas that they cannot control. It really became real when the Pro-Palestine content translated into mass protests all across the west. Israel really dug themselves into a hole and I sometimes wonder, if this trend continues, what are they going to do once the Boomers die and down the road we get a Gen-Z president? Sure you have state sponsored channels like RT that try to provide alternative views but they dont have anywhere near the eyeballs TikTok gets and they can be easily discredited. The last time the US had a major competitor was in the 80s. Finally someone has come along that is challenging the US on many levels, not just social media apps. I had always wished Europe to get their act together and serve as a democratic counter balance to the US but these days they are not even in the conversation. But at least China is trying despite the fact that they are less than savory. We will continue to have access to American social media apps pushing their nonsense and acting like they provide freedom while quietly suppressing content they don't like (ex. anti-Israel). Meta/Youtube/X platforms are not going away. I love the fact that the mass market has some choice now.

lpcvoid 3y ago
RT doesn't provide "alternative views". It's pure, unfiltered propaganda. Can you honestly navigate there, read something and then claim "yeah, just another viewpoint"?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  It's wild to believe that if you just consume the worst information diarrhea from "both sides" that you'll have a nice holy unbiased universe-brain view. It's even more wild to see this fallacious nonsense here.
  - 3y ago