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And then it stops blowing so they buy all our Swedish electricity, making us all pay for the german environment. Except the germans.
by hurril 3y ago
And then it stops blowing so they buy all our Swedish electricity, making us all pay for the german environment. Except the germans.
- Zetobal 3y agoGermany is a net energy exporter... in the last two years especially helping out the crippled french nuclear power systems.
- ffgjgf1 3y agoThat was only possible because of coal plants. If that’s unavoidable I’m sure most French people prefer that’s burned in Germany rather than France.
- lispm 3y agoHalf of the French nuclear power plant fleet was offline in 2022. -> https://www.catf.us/2023/07/2022-french-nuclear-outages-lessons-nuclear-energy-europe/ https://www.catf.us/2023/07/2022-french-nuclear-outages-less...
- oezi 3y agoThe Germans certainly don't want to export dirty coal power but my understanding was that they were essentially aiding France to overcome a summer of draughts which crippled the mono-culture in France.
- uecker 3y agoSummer droughts and also high energy use in winter with electric heating is where France regularly depends on imports.
- hurril 3y agoExporting coal power. Lovely.
- skywal_l 3y agoIn the last two years only. FTFY
- pgeorgi 3y agoThe "help out the French" thing was a temporary situation due to France's power plant maintenance issues but on an annual basis Germany has been a net electricity exporter since 2003: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331853/electricity-imports-exports-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331853/electricity-impo...
- danielbln 3y agoWe don't pay? We paid like 40 cents per kwh im late 2022, vs 26 cents in Sweden. Feel free to blame whoever, but German end consumers are probably not to blame.
- ffgjgf1 3y ago> but German end consumers are probably not to blame. If they overlap with the German voters who voted for Merkel and especially Schroder (who literally became an agent working for the Russian government after he left office) before that then we can certainly blame them.
- oezi 3y agoCertainly mistakes were made, but please recall that it is primarily market forces which led us to the German gas dependence. Russian gas was just cheaper than American and Qatari gas.
- hurril 3y agoWe pay that and more because both Germany and Sweden decided that nuclear power is a bad idea. You would pay even more if we weren't selling, which in a sense would be more fair because then you would bear the consequences of your own actions. Downvote me all you want, dear germans.
- icehawk 3y agoI don't understand what you mean by that?
- hurril 3y agoWhen your energy mix is biased towards wind and solar, the market price for energy fluctuates with the weather, basically. So when there's a lot of wind in an area, then energy is cheap (and the wind farms lose money.) When there's no wind, energy becomes expensive and the wind farms lose money. This means that base power generation from nuclear also loses money when there's a lot of wind, and that coal power is needed when there isn't any [wind.] So we all pay more _and_ destroy the environment more. When there's no wind in Germany, they buy from the energy market, driving up prices all the way up to what Coal and Oil power generation costs (which is expensive and terrible), since that is the competition. And since everyone pays market prices, we all suffer from Germany's lack of nuclear. (And ours.) In a sense: Germany has socialised their energy production. If I was conspiratorical, I would say that Russia played Germany like a fiddle in this regard. Cancel your nuclear so that you have to buy gas for energy production. And here we are. Thank you Sweden and Germany.
- wazoox 3y agoActually it has been revealed that Gazprom supported financially anti-nuclear and pro-renewable NGOs in Germany for many, many years. That's not conspirational, just a fact.
- pgeorgi 3y agoGermany's location means that it's a logistics hub. Gas, electricity, goods - large percentages of each are going into Germany on one end and leave it on another.
- KptMarchewa 3y agoYour power plants earn that money. Tax it or something.