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>I would love to hear why old ppl don't choose to voluntarily end their life. 1) It's physically and psychologically hard to end your own life 2) You aren't go

>I would love to hear why old ppl don't choose to voluntarily end their life. 1) It's physically and psychologically hard to end your own life 2) You aren't going to feel old, you'll just feel like you do now, but with an achey body and some brainfog. 3) A society that encourages old people to shuffle off this mortal coil is probably a bad one

voisin 3y ago
> 3) A society that encourages old people to shuffle off this mortal coil is probably a bad one Why do you think this?
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. And doing that based on a stat damns our judgment. Somewhere about here it becomes apparent that the value of our judgment is tied to the value we place on others.
  - apwell23 3y ago
    > I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. Maybe its just a social taboo and not a real line. most old ppl caring for elderly fulltime want their parents to be dead though. I've seen this personally in family members who totally transformed into different human beings in a good way once they were freed of the burden of caretaking. I could sense their hearts jumping with joy and relief when their parents finally passed away.
    - j4yav 3y ago
      Is this an Effective Altruism thing, or some other Silicon Valley trend? The amount of times I've seen it suggested that non-productive members or society should be euthanized on HN is so much higher than I would have ever thought it would be. And people always say something similar how it's just a taboo, but if you think rationally you'd naturally off everyone who isn't making money. I'm always curious how they arrive at that line of thinking.
    - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
      >> I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. > Maybe its just a social taboo and not a real line. I disagree. In any agecide scenario, adults won't consent and would be murdered. Murder is a bright line. Advocating the murder of people we love is an even broader, brighter line. Crossing that devastates human bonds.
    - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
      > family members who totally transformed into different human beings in a good way once they were freed of the burden of caretaking. The burden of caring for aged parents is heavier now. A primary reason is the absence of the extended families that we're evolved to live in. Modern pressures to scatter families means that a 12 person burden is being born by 1 or 2. Similarly, raising children is more difficult than it was historically. Murdering our burdens may be an expedient solution but I feel there are less catastrophic ways out of this.

voisin 3y ago

> 3) A society that encourages old people to shuffle off this mortal coil is probably a bad one Why do you think this?

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. And doing that based on a stat damns our judgment. Somewhere about here it becomes apparent that the value of our judgment is tied to the value we place on others.
- apwell23 3y ago
  > I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. Maybe its just a social taboo and not a real line. most old ppl caring for elderly fulltime want their parents to be dead though. I've seen this personally in family members who totally transformed into different human beings in a good way once they were freed of the burden of caretaking. I could sense their hearts jumping with joy and relief when their parents finally passed away.
  - j4yav 3y ago
    Is this an Effective Altruism thing, or some other Silicon Valley trend? The amount of times I've seen it suggested that non-productive members or society should be euthanized on HN is so much higher than I would have ever thought it would be. And people always say something similar how it's just a taboo, but if you think rationally you'd naturally off everyone who isn't making money. I'm always curious how they arrive at that line of thinking.
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    >> I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. > Maybe its just a social taboo and not a real line. I disagree. In any agecide scenario, adults won't consent and would be murdered. Murder is a bright line. Advocating the murder of people we love is an even broader, brighter line. Crossing that devastates human bonds.
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    > family members who totally transformed into different human beings in a good way once they were freed of the burden of caretaking. The burden of caring for aged parents is heavier now. A primary reason is the absence of the extended families that we're evolved to live in. Modern pressures to scatter families means that a 12 person burden is being born by 1 or 2. Similarly, raising children is more difficult than it was historically. Murdering our burdens may be an expedient solution but I feel there are less catastrophic ways out of this.