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This is so anecdotal but I remember taking a Lyft from Noe Valley to Taraval earlier this year and the ride went through (I'm zooming into Google Maps for the n

This is so anecdotal but I remember taking a Lyft from Noe Valley to Taraval earlier this year and the ride went through (I'm zooming into Google Maps for the neighbourhood names) Miraloma and surrounding areas. Basically the neighbourhoods just north of Monterey Blvd. The area just looked and felt really nice, homey, and safe. I've haven't driven past that area before nor after, but it really made me feel like long-term it would be a nice place to reside in SF away from the classic SF problems you've described.

mike_d 3y ago
There are two types of "bad" neighborhoods you don't want to live in: the ones where crime lives and the ones crime visits. Much of San Francisco falls victim to the latter which isn't always obvious on an Uber ride or casual walk.
alephnerd 3y ago
It's called Excelsior. It's historically been a working class Pinoy, Latino, Canto, and Black neighborhood. It used to be very rough in the gangbanger kinda way. It's kind of like how East San Jose is fairly clean, but it's good to be careful where you are depending on the time of night. Sunnyvale and RWC used to be similar in that sense as well 15-20 years ago too.
- wkyle 3y ago
  No, NW border of Excelsior is 280, so definitely not north of Monterrey Blvd. Broad strokes neighborhood is Twin Peaks area. That part of Twin Peaks is heavily influenced by historically affluent planned developments. Some of the more well known ones listed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Residence_Parks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Residence_Parks. I am not familiar with the history of some of the other planned tracts there but this map seems to suggest that area is mostly composed of master planned communities. https://sfrichmondreview.com/2023/01/10/local-author-and-historian-wrote-the-book-on-sfs-residence-parks/ https://sfrichmondreview.com/2023/01/10/local-author-and-his...
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Ope. You're right. I didn't see north of Monterey. I need to read closer.
    - dang_correct 3y ago
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- cft 3y ago
  Used to be called War Zone, echoing its street names: Russia, Italy, etc
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    That might have been earlier than me, but I can see that
    - cft 3y ago
      That was the 1950-70s I am told
phendrenad2 3y ago
These neighborhoods feel "dreamy" but living there is a different reality. You have to trek down a hill to buy things and when you do, you get the full SF doom loop experience. Most people pay a small fortune to DoorDash and Uber to avoid leaving their dreamy neighborhoods.

mike_d 3y ago

There are two types of "bad" neighborhoods you don't want to live in: the ones where crime lives and the ones crime visits. Much of San Francisco falls victim to the latter which isn't always obvious on an Uber ride or casual walk.

alephnerd 3y ago

It's called Excelsior. It's historically been a working class Pinoy, Latino, Canto, and Black neighborhood. It used to be very rough in the gangbanger kinda way. It's kind of like how East San Jose is fairly clean, but it's good to be careful where you are depending on the time of night. Sunnyvale and RWC used to be similar in that sense as well 15-20 years ago too.

wkyle 3y ago
No, NW border of Excelsior is 280, so definitely not north of Monterrey Blvd. Broad strokes neighborhood is Twin Peaks area. That part of Twin Peaks is heavily influenced by historically affluent planned developments. Some of the more well known ones listed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Residence_Parks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Residence_Parks. I am not familiar with the history of some of the other planned tracts there but this map seems to suggest that area is mostly composed of master planned communities. https://sfrichmondreview.com/2023/01/10/local-author-and-historian-wrote-the-book-on-sfs-residence-parks/ https://sfrichmondreview.com/2023/01/10/local-author-and-his...
- alephnerd 3y ago
  Ope. You're right. I didn't see north of Monterey. I need to read closer.
  - dang_correct 3y ago
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cft 3y ago
Used to be called War Zone, echoing its street names: Russia, Italy, etc
- alephnerd 3y ago
  That might have been earlier than me, but I can see that
  - cft 3y ago
    That was the 1950-70s I am told

phendrenad2 3y ago

These neighborhoods feel "dreamy" but living there is a different reality. You have to trek down a hill to buy things and when you do, you get the full SF doom loop experience. Most people pay a small fortune to DoorDash and Uber to avoid leaving their dreamy neighborhoods.