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My partner and I were stunned to see that SF housing prices are way lower than New York’s. Like a decent 2 bedroom 2 bathroom with amenities like an elevator (i

My partner and I were stunned to see that SF housing prices are way lower than New York’s. Like a decent 2 bedroom 2 bathroom with amenities like an elevator (ikr what an amenity), in unit laundry and nice fixtures will run you 6k easily in New York. In SF there’s plenty of listings for 3-4K. Its making us seriously consider moving to SF for a bit

iaseiadit 3y ago
A few years back, 1-bedrooms in dire need of renovation were going for $3-$4k. Sounds like things have really fallen off. I still wouldn’t move back, unless I were 15 years younger and needed to jumpstart my career
rcpt 3y ago
Compared to NYC, SF has far fewer amenities outside of your apartment.
- etrautmann 3y ago
  The nature is far better though.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  If you're Asian, SF works out better than Manhattan or Brooklyn. The fact that you can just go downstairs and get fresh and near authentic Com Tam, Shiumai, or Tandoori for cheap is hard to beat, and the community is much stronger and better represented. Not to say NYC is bad - it's an amazing city - but, to quote Ali Wong, SF is absolutely an Asian Wakanda
  - blovescoffee 3y ago
    As a non Asian person I always thought New York offered quite an array of Asian cuisine etc. the old Chinese communities especially seem pretty legit. any comments on this?
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      I'm not Chinese so I can't speak to it, though I found Flushings to be solid. I can speak as someone of South and Central Asian descent though. There are options for that in NYC, but I'd need to commute over an hour to New Jersey, Midwood, or Brighton Beach. Meanwhile I can get Aush or Charsi Kebab within at most a 40 minute BART ride from SF, and have 4-5 different options. If I want to get HK Cha Chaan Teng style Yu Char Kway I have like 8-9 options within 3 miles of me within SF, or if I want to try some cool Thai Chinese style crepes there are 4 options in SF alone. If I ever want to find a specific Asian sub-ethnic group's food - I will always find 3-4 options for that in the Bay Area, but it's difficult even in NYC Furthermore, Asian and Latino culture is extremely normalized in California compared to NY. The same way a New Yorker is a fanatic for an Italian sub is the same way a Californian is for their Banh Mi And finally, it's hard to discount the representation all over California. In the east coast you will feel like the other - people absolutely do look at you weird if you ain't white or black - but in the West no one bats an eye. Basically, imagine if you were an Italian New Yorker. Italians have been well represented politically, culturally, and socially. You're basically the top dog. In NYC you can try every single type of ethnic Italian cuisine at every single price point. For Asian ethnic groups, that's most of California (and the West in general).
      - p3rls 3y ago
        Meanwhile NYC alone has more Asians than LA/SF combined in a much smaller area and even you admit on the flanks of NYC, e.g., Fort Lee has its own contribution here (of course, it's no 40 minute bart train ride -- maybe a 30 minute car trip though) The rest of your story's anecdotes are about twenty years out of date. NYC for Italian subs? Really? There's like six Italians left east of the Husdon and three of them speak Spanish at home. Top dog ethnicity btw is a hilarious (and dangerous) way of looking at things.
        alephnerd 3y ago
        > Meanwhile NYC alone has more Asians than LA/SF combined Numerically, not proportionally. The Bay Area has been a hub for Asian Americans for a long time. > Fort Lee has its own contribution here Fort Lee is mostly Korean. I gave an examples of Pakhtun and Cantonese food - one a niche community in the US and the other a large diaspora in the US. That's the thing - us Asians aren't a monolith. We're a fucking continent with hundreds of different ethnicities. Just about every South Asian, Chinese, and Southeast Asian community is represented in the Bay, with a well represented Central Asian and East Asian community as well. I can get Liti Chokha (Bhojpuri), Laghman (Hui-Uyghur fusion), Horse Kumis (Mongolian), Banh Mi Xiu Mai (Highland Vietnamese), etc within the core Bay Area via public transit alone. With driving it would be even faster That almost isn't a thing in NYC. Hell, there's only one Laghman joint in NYC and they completely butchered their Samosa compared to Mrs Khan, Kusan, or Nursel. Farida is decent, but half their family and staffed moved to the Bay Area to open restaurants like Halal Dastarkhan. Every small Asian ethnic group is well represented in the Bay irrespective of size. If you're a numerically large ethnic group like Korean or Cantonese it might not matter as much, but it does to us who are from smaller ethnic groups. My ethnic group has only 3 million people at most, and most of them only reside in South and Central Asia with no diaspora. I don't want to lose my cultural background. And this is the same for plenty of other smaller communities. > NYC for Italian subs? It's an example of cultural assimilation to highlight how ingrained Asian ethnic groups have become in California.
  - rcpt 3y ago
    I thinking more like public schools and transit. Jobs to (unless you're in tech)
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      Public Schools in NYC are basically in the same boat as Public Schools in SF. Outside of a handful of exclusive programs, your only options are $60k private schools or moving to the burbs in Hudson/NJ/Long Island/East Bay/South Bay/Peninsula. Public transit is better in NYC, but that's a side effect of density.
baby 3y ago
I feel like that’s an unfair comparison. Because New York has a ton of cheaper district. Your numbers don’t seem right if you’re looking in Harlem or Brooklyn. Whereas SF is quite small and there are just no cheap apartments. Even TL is expensive as hell.
- hardwaregeek 3y ago
  Yes, you could live in harlem or deep brooklyn but then you lose stuff like an elevator or easy access to grocery stores or a kitchen that doesn’t look like a joke. Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty of nice places but the standard of living is a lot lower than the rest of America.
  - baby 3y ago
    I stayed in airbnbs in both and I don’t see what you’re talking about

iaseiadit 3y ago

A few years back, 1-bedrooms in dire need of renovation were going for $3-$4k. Sounds like things have really fallen off. I still wouldn’t move back, unless I were 15 years younger and needed to jumpstart my career

rcpt 3y ago

Compared to NYC, SF has far fewer amenities outside of your apartment.

etrautmann 3y ago
The nature is far better though.
alephnerd 3y ago
If you're Asian, SF works out better than Manhattan or Brooklyn. The fact that you can just go downstairs and get fresh and near authentic Com Tam, Shiumai, or Tandoori for cheap is hard to beat, and the community is much stronger and better represented. Not to say NYC is bad - it's an amazing city - but, to quote Ali Wong, SF is absolutely an Asian Wakanda
- blovescoffee 3y ago
  As a non Asian person I always thought New York offered quite an array of Asian cuisine etc. the old Chinese communities especially seem pretty legit. any comments on this?
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    I'm not Chinese so I can't speak to it, though I found Flushings to be solid. I can speak as someone of South and Central Asian descent though. There are options for that in NYC, but I'd need to commute over an hour to New Jersey, Midwood, or Brighton Beach. Meanwhile I can get Aush or Charsi Kebab within at most a 40 minute BART ride from SF, and have 4-5 different options. If I want to get HK Cha Chaan Teng style Yu Char Kway I have like 8-9 options within 3 miles of me within SF, or if I want to try some cool Thai Chinese style crepes there are 4 options in SF alone. If I ever want to find a specific Asian sub-ethnic group's food - I will always find 3-4 options for that in the Bay Area, but it's difficult even in NYC Furthermore, Asian and Latino culture is extremely normalized in California compared to NY. The same way a New Yorker is a fanatic for an Italian sub is the same way a Californian is for their Banh Mi And finally, it's hard to discount the representation all over California. In the east coast you will feel like the other - people absolutely do look at you weird if you ain't white or black - but in the West no one bats an eye. Basically, imagine if you were an Italian New Yorker. Italians have been well represented politically, culturally, and socially. You're basically the top dog. In NYC you can try every single type of ethnic Italian cuisine at every single price point. For Asian ethnic groups, that's most of California (and the West in general).
    - p3rls 3y ago
      Meanwhile NYC alone has more Asians than LA/SF combined in a much smaller area and even you admit on the flanks of NYC, e.g., Fort Lee has its own contribution here (of course, it's no 40 minute bart train ride -- maybe a 30 minute car trip though) The rest of your story's anecdotes are about twenty years out of date. NYC for Italian subs? Really? There's like six Italians left east of the Husdon and three of them speak Spanish at home. Top dog ethnicity btw is a hilarious (and dangerous) way of looking at things.
      - alephnerd 3y ago
        > Meanwhile NYC alone has more Asians than LA/SF combined Numerically, not proportionally. The Bay Area has been a hub for Asian Americans for a long time. > Fort Lee has its own contribution here Fort Lee is mostly Korean. I gave an examples of Pakhtun and Cantonese food - one a niche community in the US and the other a large diaspora in the US. That's the thing - us Asians aren't a monolith. We're a fucking continent with hundreds of different ethnicities. Just about every South Asian, Chinese, and Southeast Asian community is represented in the Bay, with a well represented Central Asian and East Asian community as well. I can get Liti Chokha (Bhojpuri), Laghman (Hui-Uyghur fusion), Horse Kumis (Mongolian), Banh Mi Xiu Mai (Highland Vietnamese), etc within the core Bay Area via public transit alone. With driving it would be even faster That almost isn't a thing in NYC. Hell, there's only one Laghman joint in NYC and they completely butchered their Samosa compared to Mrs Khan, Kusan, or Nursel. Farida is decent, but half their family and staffed moved to the Bay Area to open restaurants like Halal Dastarkhan. Every small Asian ethnic group is well represented in the Bay irrespective of size. If you're a numerically large ethnic group like Korean or Cantonese it might not matter as much, but it does to us who are from smaller ethnic groups. My ethnic group has only 3 million people at most, and most of them only reside in South and Central Asia with no diaspora. I don't want to lose my cultural background. And this is the same for plenty of other smaller communities. > NYC for Italian subs? It's an example of cultural assimilation to highlight how ingrained Asian ethnic groups have become in California.
- rcpt 3y ago
  I thinking more like public schools and transit. Jobs to (unless you're in tech)
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    Public Schools in NYC are basically in the same boat as Public Schools in SF. Outside of a handful of exclusive programs, your only options are $60k private schools or moving to the burbs in Hudson/NJ/Long Island/East Bay/South Bay/Peninsula. Public transit is better in NYC, but that's a side effect of density.

baby 3y ago

I feel like that’s an unfair comparison. Because New York has a ton of cheaper district. Your numbers don’t seem right if you’re looking in Harlem or Brooklyn. Whereas SF is quite small and there are just no cheap apartments. Even TL is expensive as hell.

hardwaregeek 3y ago
Yes, you could live in harlem or deep brooklyn but then you lose stuff like an elevator or easy access to grocery stores or a kitchen that doesn’t look like a joke. Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty of nice places but the standard of living is a lot lower than the rest of America.
- baby 3y ago
  I stayed in airbnbs in both and I don’t see what you’re talking about