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Can you share the terrible things that his extremist org has done? I see he supports unpopular and extremists things like 1. abortion rights 2. civil rights

Can you share the terrible things that his extremist org has done? I see he supports unpopular and extremists things like 1. abortion rights 2. civil rights 3. keeping the govt working by funding it 4. helping american manufacturing 5. blocking the dictatorship in russia from taking over the small democracy next door.

kernal 3y ago
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- NotSammyHagar 3y ago
  This isn't a serious list, almost all of these are just political talking points with no substance. I will agree the withdrawal from Afghanistan was extremely poorly done. Yes, he was following the treaty trump had negotiated with the other side (was that neg. with terrorists?) but it was poorly done. A lot more soldiers died pointlessly in Iraq and no one saw it as a war crime on Bush2. The us had secret prisons. My country kidnapped people and tortured them in black prisons. That's a crime too. I'd like to prosecute that. The justice dept raided trumps home because he (1) had a long list of secret docs he wasn't supposed to keep (2) he was recorded on his own video call with his own lawyers where he talked about having them, that he shouldn't have them, and he knew they were still top secret because he specifically discussed that he hadn't changed their classification (3) asked him to give them back and he kind of gave a few back (4) asked him again for the things that were in the call and he didn't give them back. Then he asked people working for him to lie about the whole affair. Some of them turned state's evidence. Your points don't stand up to scrutiny. Among other things, ex-presidents are subject to the rule of law.
- dang 3y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We don't care about which political side you're on but we do care about not having those sorts of comments here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
bigstrat2003 3y ago
> abortion rights I'm not trying to debate abortion for the millionth time here, but you can't just slip that one in like it's some anodyne proposition that no reasonable person objects to. The fact of the matter is that abortion is still fiercely debated in this country, with its detractors considering it no different from infanticide. So if the Biden administration supports abortion rights, there will be many people who consider that to be a heinous position for him to take.
- Shekelphile 3y ago
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- throwup238 3y ago
  > you can't just slip that one in like it's some anodyne proposition that no reasonable person objects to. It's not that no reasonable person can oppose abortion (the objection doesn't even need to be religious in nature), it's that no reasonable person opposes abortion because it's infanticide and opposes all post-natal support policies which is the case in almost all the states that have banned abortion. Hell take a look at the list of states ranked by child mortality and abortion states lead the way by a mile. Welfare and education for mothers and their young children? Rejected. Food stamps? Fuck that. Now there's plenty of debate to be had about the effectiveness and fiscal efficiency of these policies, but anti-abortion states soundly reject the vast majority of them and leave mothers and their children to fend for themselves. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we don't have to respect their opinions if they are nakedly hypocritical.

kernal 3y ago

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NotSammyHagar 3y ago
This isn't a serious list, almost all of these are just political talking points with no substance. I will agree the withdrawal from Afghanistan was extremely poorly done. Yes, he was following the treaty trump had negotiated with the other side (was that neg. with terrorists?) but it was poorly done. A lot more soldiers died pointlessly in Iraq and no one saw it as a war crime on Bush2. The us had secret prisons. My country kidnapped people and tortured them in black prisons. That's a crime too. I'd like to prosecute that. The justice dept raided trumps home because he (1) had a long list of secret docs he wasn't supposed to keep (2) he was recorded on his own video call with his own lawyers where he talked about having them, that he shouldn't have them, and he knew they were still top secret because he specifically discussed that he hadn't changed their classification (3) asked him to give them back and he kind of gave a few back (4) asked him again for the things that were in the call and he didn't give them back. Then he asked people working for him to lie about the whole affair. Some of them turned state's evidence. Your points don't stand up to scrutiny. Among other things, ex-presidents are subject to the rule of law.
dang 3y ago
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We don't care about which political side you're on but we do care about not having those sorts of comments here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

bigstrat2003 3y ago

> abortion rights I'm not trying to debate abortion for the millionth time here, but you can't just slip that one in like it's some anodyne proposition that no reasonable person objects to. The fact of the matter is that abortion is still fiercely debated in this country, with its detractors considering it no different from infanticide. So if the Biden administration supports abortion rights, there will be many people who consider that to be a heinous position for him to take.

Shekelphile 3y ago
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throwup238 3y ago
> you can't just slip that one in like it's some anodyne proposition that no reasonable person objects to. It's not that no reasonable person can oppose abortion (the objection doesn't even need to be religious in nature), it's that no reasonable person opposes abortion because it's infanticide and opposes all post-natal support policies which is the case in almost all the states that have banned abortion. Hell take a look at the list of states ranked by child mortality and abortion states lead the way by a mile. Welfare and education for mothers and their young children? Rejected. Food stamps? Fuck that. Now there's plenty of debate to be had about the effectiveness and fiscal efficiency of these policies, but anti-abortion states soundly reject the vast majority of them and leave mothers and their children to fend for themselves. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but we don't have to respect their opinions if they are nakedly hypocritical.