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I mean, yeah, but you could also do a lot of high powered randomized trials about kinds of cookies and learn that 80% of people always prefer eating the cookies

I mean, yeah, but you could also do a lot of high powered randomized trials about kinds of cookies and learn that 80% of people always prefer eating the cookies with cocaine in them.

mgraczyk 3y ago
That's a different argument, and not one I really care about. It's no more "addictive" than tv and way less harmful
- fshr 3y ago
  To push back, it does seem like you care. You've created rationalizations and offer them up unprompted. I think most people would argue for allowing both settings and having the app default to the one the internal research found more preferable and more profitable. Not offering the setting is telling.
  - mgraczyk 3y ago
    I meant I don't care to argue. I've had this conversation too many times, and it does have the setting. You can Google it to figure out how to change it.
- J_Shelby_J 3y ago
  I think the point is: were the experiments testing whether people said they liked X better and immediately engaged or were you testing whether or not the user felt good about the experience and wanted to come back long term. My experience is meta prioritizes instant gratification, which yeah people and their immediate actions says they want. But also I’ve completely stopped using Facebook and instagram because it became clear it’s of limited value to me. Yeah, i might mouse over a piece of salacious content because it’s salacious. But i know it’s low value to me. And most of my peers are in the same boat.
  - mgraczyk 3y ago
    We ran experiments that lasted up to 5 years. People who have ranked feeds self report a better experience after using the product for years, although you have to be careful with these sorts of things because the chronological users are more likely to churn, which biases the results
    - J_Shelby_J 3y ago
      Interesting. I just logged into facebook and my feed is spam, and my notifications are basically a chronological feed of my closest connections.
      - mgraczyk 3y ago
        If you don't use Facebook regularly, the feed will be bad. They use almost no data older than 90 days

I mean, yeah, but you could also do a lot of high powered randomized trials about kinds of cookies and learn that 80% of people always prefer eating the cookies with cocaine in them.

mgraczyk 3y ago

That's a different argument, and not one I really care about. It's no more "addictive" than tv and way less harmful

fshr 3y ago
To push back, it does seem like you care. You've created rationalizations and offer them up unprompted. I think most people would argue for allowing both settings and having the app default to the one the internal research found more preferable and more profitable. Not offering the setting is telling.
- mgraczyk 3y ago
  I meant I don't care to argue. I've had this conversation too many times, and it does have the setting. You can Google it to figure out how to change it.
J_Shelby_J 3y ago
I think the point is: were the experiments testing whether people said they liked X better and immediately engaged or were you testing whether or not the user felt good about the experience and wanted to come back long term. My experience is meta prioritizes instant gratification, which yeah people and their immediate actions says they want. But also I’ve completely stopped using Facebook and instagram because it became clear it’s of limited value to me. Yeah, i might mouse over a piece of salacious content because it’s salacious. But i know it’s low value to me. And most of my peers are in the same boat.
- mgraczyk 3y ago
  We ran experiments that lasted up to 5 years. People who have ranked feeds self report a better experience after using the product for years, although you have to be careful with these sorts of things because the chronological users are more likely to churn, which biases the results
  - J_Shelby_J 3y ago
    Interesting. I just logged into facebook and my feed is spam, and my notifications are basically a chronological feed of my closest connections.
    - mgraczyk 3y ago
      If you don't use Facebook regularly, the feed will be bad. They use almost no data older than 90 days