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> I guess you don't like democracy all that much! Democracy is a useful tool for building consensus, it is not the end goal of politics. Marxism is a catastrop

> I guess you don't like democracy all that much! Democracy is a useful tool for building consensus, it is not the end goal of politics. Marxism is a catastrophic political cult which has never resulted in anything other than the deaths of millions, either through deliberate genocide or incompetent adherence to its pseudoscientific economic divinations. It should be removed from government through any means necessary. If a Nazi was elected president and vowed to use his political authority to achieve his goals, the military would be justified in overthrowing him and violently suppressing his supporters Consensus can be achieved through other means. All forms of government rule by a monopoly on the use of violence, including democratic ones.

the_af 3y ago
Your passionate attack of Marxism and defense of military coups is negated by the fact these coups torture and kill thousands of people in the name of the Free Market. Your whole analogy is moot: if a Nazi achieves power via democratic means, and stays there via democratic means, he wouldn't be a Nazi: Nazism is the rule of antidemocratic Might Makes Right; he wouldn't remain democratic if things didn't go his way. Which paradoxically, is precisely what you seem to be advocating: that it's ok to abandon democracy when it doesn't go your way. I appreciate your honesty and candor: you dislike democracy, and your worldview is despicable and vile. Still, your honesty is something!
- novagameco 3y ago
  > if a Nazi achieves power via democratic means, and stays there via democratic means, he wouldn't be a Nazi: Nazism is the rule of antidemocratic Might Makes Right; he wouldn't remain democratic if things didn't go his way. The same is true of communism, which advocates for the violent murder of land and property owners and the establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat. I have little faith there would have been another election after Allende; Marxism is an inherently violent political cult which sees its enemies as subhuman. Sound familiar? > you dislike democracy, and your worldview is despicable and vile. Still, your honesty is something! Try to attack ideas instead of people. The way you argue is unconstructive. I like democracy, but it's imperfect. > your worldview is despicable and vile You defend the presidency of a Marxist; I can say the exact same thing about you. Would you likewise defend a Fascist who was elected and vowed to abolish democracy? I think the disconnect between you and me is that I see no substantive difference between Communism and Naziism, while you seem to think that Communism is capable of a soft side, which it objectively is not
  - the_af 3y ago
    The president you're talking about was elected by Chileans with free democratic elections, didn't enact a dictatorship, and would likely have been voted out of office in the next elections. You are arguing in favor of the overthrow of democracy because you don't like the party in power. What's worse, in your attack of Communism you decided to defend a bloodthirsty, murderous dictatorship that tortured thousands of people (some were mutilated so horribly, even the military that captured them are on record as horrified. Read the accounts). So I thought long and hard about how to reply to you, and my argument boils down to this: Fuck you. I want nothing more to do with you. Don't bother replying, I think you're vile.

the_af 3y ago

Your passionate attack of Marxism and defense of military coups is negated by the fact these coups torture and kill thousands of people in the name of the Free Market. Your whole analogy is moot: if a Nazi achieves power via democratic means, and stays there via democratic means, he wouldn't be a Nazi: Nazism is the rule of antidemocratic Might Makes Right; he wouldn't remain democratic if things didn't go his way. Which paradoxically, is precisely what you seem to be advocating: that it's ok to abandon democracy when it doesn't go your way. I appreciate your honesty and candor: you dislike democracy, and your worldview is despicable and vile. Still, your honesty is something!

novagameco 3y ago
> if a Nazi achieves power via democratic means, and stays there via democratic means, he wouldn't be a Nazi: Nazism is the rule of antidemocratic Might Makes Right; he wouldn't remain democratic if things didn't go his way. The same is true of communism, which advocates for the violent murder of land and property owners and the establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat. I have little faith there would have been another election after Allende; Marxism is an inherently violent political cult which sees its enemies as subhuman. Sound familiar? > you dislike democracy, and your worldview is despicable and vile. Still, your honesty is something! Try to attack ideas instead of people. The way you argue is unconstructive. I like democracy, but it's imperfect. > your worldview is despicable and vile You defend the presidency of a Marxist; I can say the exact same thing about you. Would you likewise defend a Fascist who was elected and vowed to abolish democracy? I think the disconnect between you and me is that I see no substantive difference between Communism and Naziism, while you seem to think that Communism is capable of a soft side, which it objectively is not
- the_af 3y ago
  The president you're talking about was elected by Chileans with free democratic elections, didn't enact a dictatorship, and would likely have been voted out of office in the next elections. You are arguing in favor of the overthrow of democracy because you don't like the party in power. What's worse, in your attack of Communism you decided to defend a bloodthirsty, murderous dictatorship that tortured thousands of people (some were mutilated so horribly, even the military that captured them are on record as horrified. Read the accounts). So I thought long and hard about how to reply to you, and my argument boils down to this: Fuck you. I want nothing more to do with you. Don't bother replying, I think you're vile.