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"I don't think we discussed this topic. What kind of restrain you are talking about now? " Well, it surely is possible you did not read it, but just look above

"I don't think we discussed this topic. What kind of restrain you are talking about now? " Well, it surely is possible you did not read it, but just look above in the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38746724 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38746724 "Israel's defense minister said he has "released all restraints" on the Israel Defense Forces' troops in their fight " Militray restrain means watching where you are shooting - and not shooting if the danger of civilian deaths are too high. The IDF officially given up on using restraint - and the number of civilian deaths and among them many, many children show it. So fighting terror with terror? That's what it seems to me. And being called a puppet for one side, because I critize both sides - is just a very typical thing for this whole debate.

riku_iki 3y ago
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- hutzlibu 3y ago
  No, obviously not all restraint. They would loose US support if they would. But the israeli defense minister literally said he ordered the IDF to give up restraint. How much more official do you want it? And the evidence that they are following this order, is the high civilian death number. "and if this will be sufficient to defeat Hamas." And this is the thing - as long as the Hamas leaders are safe in Quatar and being supported by Turkey as "freedom fighters" and others - this is not a fight that can be won with just using more brute force. To be clear, I do think Israel has a right to militarily target the Hamas - but not palestinian people as a whole. Every innocent child that dies fuels anger and new terrorism. Even if all of Gaza is cleared and its population send to the Sinai desert - it would not really make Israel safer. It is just a really complicated conflict with very, very old roots.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
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    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      "> Every innocent child that dies fuels anger and new terrorism. and not acting also fuels terrorists." So killing a child or not killing a child has the same outcome? I don't think so, but I also think this is going nowhere.
dang 3y ago
Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style? You've done it repeatedly in this thread, and that's exactly what we're trying to avoid here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

riku_iki 3y ago

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hutzlibu 3y ago
No, obviously not all restraint. They would loose US support if they would. But the israeli defense minister literally said he ordered the IDF to give up restraint. How much more official do you want it? And the evidence that they are following this order, is the high civilian death number. "and if this will be sufficient to defeat Hamas." And this is the thing - as long as the Hamas leaders are safe in Quatar and being supported by Turkey as "freedom fighters" and others - this is not a fight that can be won with just using more brute force. To be clear, I do think Israel has a right to militarily target the Hamas - but not palestinian people as a whole. Every innocent child that dies fuels anger and new terrorism. Even if all of Gaza is cleared and its population send to the Sinai desert - it would not really make Israel safer. It is just a really complicated conflict with very, very old roots.
- riku_iki 3y ago
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  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "> Every innocent child that dies fuels anger and new terrorism. and not acting also fuels terrorists." So killing a child or not killing a child has the same outcome? I don't think so, but I also think this is going nowhere.

dang 3y ago

Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style? You've done it repeatedly in this thread, and that's exactly what we're trying to avoid here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.