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The constitution of United States, in the first Amendment prohibits certain speech, speech inciting violence is one of those prohibited speech. The argument tha

The constitution of United States, in the first Amendment prohibits certain speech, speech inciting violence is one of those prohibited speech. The argument that censorship creates new problems is true, however there are absolute cases when censorship is needed. In this case, it was the country’s Supreme Court requesting removal of users and it was related to speech causing violence. The same request would have been completely legal in US as well.

josephcsible 3y ago
> The constitution of United States, in the first Amendment prohibits certain speech, speech inciting violence is one of those prohibited speech. It does? Here's the full text of the First Amendment: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Which part of it says that? I don't see it anywhere.
- darth_avocado 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex... The Supreme Court has ruled again and again that incitement is an exception to speech covered under first amendment.
  - josephcsible 3y ago
    Even if the First Amendment doesn't protect it, it most certainly does not prohibit it.
AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> The constitution of United States, in the first Amendment prohibits certain speech, speech inciting violence is one of those prohibited speech. No it doesn't. The First Amendment constrains the government from prohibiting most speech. It doesn't require any speech to be prohibited. If the US Congress wanted to be free speech absolutists, they wouldn't have to change the constitution. > there are absolute cases when censorship is needed. There are cases where most countries sanction it. That doesn't prove that it's needed. Can you even name a case where it would be necessary as opposed to being possible to solve through e.g. vigorous enforcement of the laws against violence? You're also avoiding the question. Sure, sometimes the same thing is illegal in both the US and China, but that's not the common case for free speech questions. And putting aside the absolutist position, that's not even what you're arguing for here. The government can punish a direct speaker for imminent incitement of violence without imposing a prior restraint or putting intermediary liability on a third party who is merely a common carrier.
- darth_avocado 3y ago
  > No it doesn’t It does because I learned this in the law class I took in undergrad. A quick google search would’ve told you that there are limitations to first amendment. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex...
  - qwerasdf5 3y ago
    He's talking about the Constitution. You're talking about the Supreme Court's interpretation of it, which is different (and could change.)
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      No, the claim was: > The constitution of United States, in the first Amendment prohibits certain speech It does no such thing. It prohibits Congress from making laws that abridge the freedom of speech. Congress is not required to make any laws constraining speech, even if it is allowed to, and the First Amendment itself does not prohibit any speech.
15457345234 3y ago
This is literally 100% misinformation.
- darth_avocado 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex... Please tell me how?

josephcsible 3y ago

> The constitution of United States, in the first Amendment prohibits certain speech, speech inciting violence is one of those prohibited speech. It does? Here's the full text of the First Amendment: > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Which part of it says that? I don't see it anywhere.

darth_avocado 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex... The Supreme Court has ruled again and again that incitement is an exception to speech covered under first amendment.
- josephcsible 3y ago
  Even if the First Amendment doesn't protect it, it most certainly does not prohibit it.

AnthonyMouse 3y ago

> The constitution of United States, in the first Amendment prohibits certain speech, speech inciting violence is one of those prohibited speech. No it doesn't. The First Amendment constrains the government from prohibiting most speech. It doesn't require any speech to be prohibited. If the US Congress wanted to be free speech absolutists, they wouldn't have to change the constitution. > there are absolute cases when censorship is needed. There are cases where most countries sanction it. That doesn't prove that it's needed. Can you even name a case where it would be necessary as opposed to being possible to solve through e.g. vigorous enforcement of the laws against violence? You're also avoiding the question. Sure, sometimes the same thing is illegal in both the US and China, but that's not the common case for free speech questions. And putting aside the absolutist position, that's not even what you're arguing for here. The government can punish a direct speaker for imminent incitement of violence without imposing a prior restraint or putting intermediary liability on a third party who is merely a common carrier.

darth_avocado 3y ago
> No it doesn’t It does because I learned this in the law class I took in undergrad. A quick google search would’ve told you that there are limitations to first amendment. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex...
- qwerasdf5 3y ago
  He's talking about the Constitution. You're talking about the Supreme Court's interpretation of it, which is different (and could change.)
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    No, the claim was: > The constitution of United States, in the first Amendment prohibits certain speech It does no such thing. It prohibits Congress from making laws that abridge the freedom of speech. Congress is not required to make any laws constraining speech, even if it is allowed to, and the First Amendment itself does not prohibit any speech.

15457345234 3y ago

This is literally 100% misinformation.

darth_avocado 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_ex... Please tell me how?