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Nobody needs to know who the artist ahead of time is to connect to what they say (instrumentally or vocally). The art does the talking. I largely agree that if

Nobody needs to know who the artist ahead of time is to connect to what they say (instrumentally or vocally). The art does the talking. I largely agree that if you don't know anything about music but generate some stuff with a very-high-level AI tool then you are unlikely to produce anything that resonates with people for any significant amount of time. If you do know something about music (say, producer- or other-tastemaker level) and you replace the artists with an AI tool - you could have much better luck - but I'm curious there how much longetivity you get. Could you create the next star or the next trend or will the tools not have the ability to "break the mold" in ways that really connect to audiences and new generations without being used by newcomers themselves?

saghm 3y ago
> I largely agree that if you don't know anything about music but generate some stuff with a very-high-level AI tool then you are unlikely to produce anything that resonates with people for any significant amount of time. I feel like you're not really making a strong assertion here because of how subjective "resonates with people for any significant amount of time" is. Instead, I'd propose something akin to the Turing test; instead of conversing with someone and trying to determine if they're a computer or a human, the participant would listen to to a piece of music and try to guess whether it was made "traditionally" or by someone who used an AI tool and had no experience making music in any other fashion. I think we're not far from the point where it would be possible to generate instrumental music with AI that would be indistinguishable from a control set of human-created music (either instrumental or with the vocal track removed from the mix) with a certain level of complexity (let's say songs without changes in tempo, time signature, or key, which would give us at absolute minimum a few thousand popular mainstream songs over the past half century, and potentially a lot more). How long do you think it will take for this to be possible (if ever)? If you don't think it will ever be possible, why not? And if you do think it will be possible, isn't this sufficient evidence that there isn't any inherent need for a "human" element in music?

saghm 3y ago

> I largely agree that if you don't know anything about music but generate some stuff with a very-high-level AI tool then you are unlikely to produce anything that resonates with people for any significant amount of time. I feel like you're not really making a strong assertion here because of how subjective "resonates with people for any significant amount of time" is. Instead, I'd propose something akin to the Turing test; instead of conversing with someone and trying to determine if they're a computer or a human, the participant would listen to to a piece of music and try to guess whether it was made "traditionally" or by someone who used an AI tool and had no experience making music in any other fashion. I think we're not far from the point where it would be possible to generate instrumental music with AI that would be indistinguishable from a control set of human-created music (either instrumental or with the vocal track removed from the mix) with a certain level of complexity (let's say songs without changes in tempo, time signature, or key, which would give us at absolute minimum a few thousand popular mainstream songs over the past half century, and potentially a lot more). How long do you think it will take for this to be possible (if ever)? If you don't think it will ever be possible, why not? And if you do think it will be possible, isn't this sufficient evidence that there isn't any inherent need for a "human" element in music?