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This is the kind of feedback all such projects get. A million "if you just implement this one critical feature...". It must be really hard to balance giving al

This is the kind of feedback all such projects get. A million "if you just implement this one critical feature...". It must be really hard to balance giving all those users what they want, building quality code, keeping the project focused, and having low costs. Is it possible to enable this through extensions, or leveraging a product like OpenCloud?

crooked-v 3y ago
"Save everything to the cloud by default" is a standard piece of functionality for mobile apps now, not a small side feature.
- spookie 3y ago
  It's a bit much to require an open source project to deal with the infrastructure to provide that, don't you think? All reasonable solutions would require the user to have done their part in setting up a nextcloud instance or something akin to that. And then, as the repo discussed, you would still see "oh, the majority don't know that".
  - Clent 3y ago
    On the iOS side, Apple provides the infrastructure via CloudKit.
    - spookie 3y ago
      Given the project's goals, that would be off the table. Someone could always fork it and add that feature though!
- nine_k 3y ago
  Not requiring any cloud can also be a feature, and an important one for an offline-first project. Saving things to the cloud as an option, or an officially blessed way to auto-export data locally for your own backup setup, is important though.
stavros 3y ago
Yeah, and it's a huge trap, because the authors might believe the users. The truth is, if the app gave you that much value, you would have been using it, and would have found a workaround for the bookmarks export.
- nyjah 3y ago
  I really like this post by Mark Cuban and the HN discussion about Why you should never listen to you customers. Worth checking out.. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1244756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1244756 [2010] https://blogmaverick.com/2010/04/06/why-you-should-never-listen-to-your-customers/ https://blogmaverick.com/2010/04/06/why-you-should-never-lis... [2010]
Share6323 3y ago
What exactly do you mean by OpenCloud ?
- blowski 3y ago
  Sorry, I meant OwnCloud - similar to SandStorm. I don't have much experience working with them, so I might be talking rubbish.

crooked-v 3y ago

"Save everything to the cloud by default" is a standard piece of functionality for mobile apps now, not a small side feature.

spookie 3y ago
It's a bit much to require an open source project to deal with the infrastructure to provide that, don't you think? All reasonable solutions would require the user to have done their part in setting up a nextcloud instance or something akin to that. And then, as the repo discussed, you would still see "oh, the majority don't know that".
- Clent 3y ago
  On the iOS side, Apple provides the infrastructure via CloudKit.
  - spookie 3y ago
    Given the project's goals, that would be off the table. Someone could always fork it and add that feature though!
nine_k 3y ago
Not requiring any cloud can also be a feature, and an important one for an offline-first project. Saving things to the cloud as an option, or an officially blessed way to auto-export data locally for your own backup setup, is important though.

stavros 3y ago

Yeah, and it's a huge trap, because the authors might believe the users. The truth is, if the app gave you that much value, you would have been using it, and would have found a workaround for the bookmarks export.

nyjah 3y ago
I really like this post by Mark Cuban and the HN discussion about Why you should never listen to you customers. Worth checking out.. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1244756 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1244756 [2010] https://blogmaverick.com/2010/04/06/why-you-should-never-listen-to-your-customers/ https://blogmaverick.com/2010/04/06/why-you-should-never-lis... [2010]

Share6323 3y ago

What exactly do you mean by OpenCloud ?

blowski 3y ago
Sorry, I meant OwnCloud - similar to SandStorm. I don't have much experience working with them, so I might be talking rubbish.