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Brazil has been on a slippery slope regarding free speech. I see parallels with the war on terror, where the 9/11 attacks gave carte-blanche to gain power of th

by htk 3y ago

Brazil has been on a slippery slope regarding free speech. I see parallels with the war on terror, where the 9/11 attacks gave carte-blanche to gain power of the population. Brazil started with the "war on fake news" and now they just ban/censor whatever they think is objectionable. I hope it's not as sticky as the increase in surveillance from the NSA and the authoritarian approach from the TSA.

logicchains 3y ago
It's not just Brazil; the vast majority of governments are trying to put a tighter leash on what people can say online. Because the decentralisation of information transfer is allowing citizens to be more informed than ever before about things their rulers don't want them to know.
- herval 3y ago
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  - throwaway655368 3y ago
    I couldn't make any sense of your comment. You start with argumentative "People keep repeating this trope, and it seems to never be true.". Then you tear down some dumb "pizza shop" strawman. Then you basically agree with gp, while acting as if you are putting up some counterargument.
    - herval 3y ago
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- ricardobeat 3y ago
  > the decentralisation of information transfer is allowing citizens to be more informed than ever before about things their rulers don't want them to know Racial superiority ideas and/or discrimination is the issue in this case, and 90% of other cases involving censorship in Brazil. How is that something “the rulers don’t want you to know”?
herval 3y ago
Who’s “they” and what exactly are they “banning”? I haven’t seen much outside the political disinformation sphere and some abuses of power around politicians protecting their own image. What aren’t you allowed to say today in brazil?
- Georgelemental 3y ago
  > political disinformation Translation: information (true, false, or just opinion) that the power structure sees as a threat to itself
  - herval 3y ago
    Information that the power structure of a country that’s been controlled by the military twice sees as a threat to democracy, perhaps? Unlimited free speech absolutists just want to see the world burn
    - Georgelemental 3y ago
      Ah yes, military juntas, famous for their love of free expression /s
throwawaysugar 3y ago
> Brazil has been on a slippery slope regarding free speech. Citation needed. Free speech is not an "unlimited right" in Brazil (I'd argue it's not an unlimited right in the U.S. either, but that's not necessary here) Article 3 of the 1988 Constitution of Brazil states: Art. 3 The fundamental objectives of the Federative Republic of Brazil are: I. to build a free, just and unified society; II. to guarantee national development; III. to eradicate poverty and substandard living conditions and to reduce social and regional inequalities; IV. to promote the well-being of all, without prejudice as to origin, race, sex, color, age and any other forms of discrimination. --- You can also just read on Wikipedia about this to be better informed... it's literally on the "Freedom of speech in Brazil" article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_Brazil#Types_of_speech_restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_Brazil#Ty...
- Georgelemental 3y ago
  > Free speech is not an "unlimited right" in Brazil Free speech exists as an unlimited right everywhere. Sometimes, tyrants fail to recognize that existence, is all
  - waffleiron 3y ago
    Human rights are cultural, for example the right to food and housing is seen by some other cultures as a human right. Does that mean the US ruled by tyrants for not recognizing that? Human rights are not as universal as you might think.
    - Georgelemental 3y ago
      Human rights are human, that's why they're called "human rights." If they were cultural, they would be called "cultural rights." Some people claim that food and housing are "human rights"; those people are factually wrong because food and housing are limited resources that require time and effort to obtain. (In contrast, speaking one's mind is something anyone can just do; it's an intrinsic property of being human.)

by htk 3y ago

logicchains 3y ago

It's not just Brazil; the vast majority of governments are trying to put a tighter leash on what people can say online. Because the decentralisation of information transfer is allowing citizens to be more informed than ever before about things their rulers don't want them to know.

herval 3y ago
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- throwaway655368 3y ago
  I couldn't make any sense of your comment. You start with argumentative "People keep repeating this trope, and it seems to never be true.". Then you tear down some dumb "pizza shop" strawman. Then you basically agree with gp, while acting as if you are putting up some counterargument.
  - herval 3y ago
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ricardobeat 3y ago
> the decentralisation of information transfer is allowing citizens to be more informed than ever before about things their rulers don't want them to know Racial superiority ideas and/or discrimination is the issue in this case, and 90% of other cases involving censorship in Brazil. How is that something “the rulers don’t want you to know”?

herval 3y ago

Who’s “they” and what exactly are they “banning”? I haven’t seen much outside the political disinformation sphere and some abuses of power around politicians protecting their own image. What aren’t you allowed to say today in brazil?

Georgelemental 3y ago
> political disinformation Translation: information (true, false, or just opinion) that the power structure sees as a threat to itself
- herval 3y ago
  Information that the power structure of a country that’s been controlled by the military twice sees as a threat to democracy, perhaps? Unlimited free speech absolutists just want to see the world burn
  - Georgelemental 3y ago
    Ah yes, military juntas, famous for their love of free expression /s

throwawaysugar 3y ago

> Brazil has been on a slippery slope regarding free speech. Citation needed. Free speech is not an "unlimited right" in Brazil (I'd argue it's not an unlimited right in the U.S. either, but that's not necessary here) Article 3 of the 1988 Constitution of Brazil states: Art. 3 The fundamental objectives of the Federative Republic of Brazil are: I. to build a free, just and unified society; II. to guarantee national development; III. to eradicate poverty and substandard living conditions and to reduce social and regional inequalities; IV. to promote the well-being of all, without prejudice as to origin, race, sex, color, age and any other forms of discrimination. --- You can also just read on Wikipedia about this to be better informed... it's literally on the "Freedom of speech in Brazil" article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_Brazil#Types_of_speech_restrictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_Brazil#Ty...

Georgelemental 3y ago
> Free speech is not an "unlimited right" in Brazil Free speech exists as an unlimited right everywhere. Sometimes, tyrants fail to recognize that existence, is all
- waffleiron 3y ago
  Human rights are cultural, for example the right to food and housing is seen by some other cultures as a human right. Does that mean the US ruled by tyrants for not recognizing that? Human rights are not as universal as you might think.
  - Georgelemental 3y ago
    Human rights are human, that's why they're called "human rights." If they were cultural, they would be called "cultural rights." Some people claim that food and housing are "human rights"; those people are factually wrong because food and housing are limited resources that require time and effort to obtain. (In contrast, speaking one's mind is something anyone can just do; it's an intrinsic property of being human.)